If Guitar Players Suck, What About Their Bands?

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  1. sax4blues

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    Slash thread has me wondering. When guitar players are determined to be mediocre at best and often total hacks, does that also apply to all the musicians in their bands? I would assume great musicians would choose to spend recording and public performance time with similar ability players.
     
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    Subjectivity makes this impossible to determine
     
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    Song writer vs musician....
     
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    Maybe!
     
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    You can play three chords to hundreds of people or hundreds of chords to three people. The player (or band) only needs to be good enough for what they are playing.

    Back in the day, my criteria for joining a band, was not how good the players were. The criteria was how much money could I make with these guys.
     
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    A drummer and bassist that made millions boogie, possibly the best rhythm guitarist the world has ever seen....

    .....and Francis Rossi.

    A very decent guitarist who doesn't really believe in 'tone'.
     
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    Nah. Session and studio players go where the money is. Imho. So would some band members.
     
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    Hmm yeah... and all that's left now is Francis and some kids...
     
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    You can write off Slash as a mediocre hack, but last time I checked, Guns & Roses were a band with loads of great hard rock songs that can still fill up hockey arenas full of loyal fans.
     
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    I missed that thread, but somebody determined that Slash is mediocre? I may not be the biggest GnR fan ever, but I know he took a warmup exercise and turned it into pretty much the biggest rock hit of the entire 80s. Until somebody can come close to matching those credentials, I don’t think they’re credentialed enough to call him “mediocre”.
     
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    Just need the right skills for the job.
     
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    Joe Satriani, great guitarist. Michael Anthony, great bassist. Sammy Hagar, solid vocalist. Chad Smith, brilliant drummer.

    But I don't know a single person, in real life or otherwise, who owns a Chickenfoot album.
     
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    There’s more to being an icon than just being a good player. Some of the best songwriters were not players. Then there’s the entertainer aspect, characteristic sound, signature licks etc… it’s the whole package. You can put down certain artists for not being great players but they have something that makes them appeal to the masses.
     
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    I think it's an interesting question to flip around - can a band be a good band with a bad drummer? Bad bass player?

    I personally can listen to band with weak guitarists, but I really struggle to enjoy bands with bad drummers, especially live. I can also stand weak bassist, but man do I love to hear a good bassist.
     
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    I didn't know who was in the band. I may actually check them out!
     
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    I don't mind listening to a band that isn't especially accomplished in their playing as long as they do what they do well. I have played in bands where I was the weakest member, and with others who were the weakest members. As long as everyone stays within their abilities and not stretch beyond their pay grade, I don't mind it at all.

    If it's a basement band, all bets are off.
     
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    So if the guitar player don't care who they are has national/world airplay and fills venues then suck is a personal reference. If they had all of this years ago and were not one hit wonders they are has beens but suck would still be a personal thing. However if the guitar player is on a stage in a local bar where hardly anyone shows up, well I would say that suck is more of a factual reference. I hate G&R but I can't say that any of them suck as musicians. In local bands we usually play with people near our own levels, If you saw me play you would say that I suck and that would be a factual reference ;)
     
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    Was anyone in the Ramones a great musician?
    no

    Were they one of the greatest bands ever?
    yes
     
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