Newbcaster
Tele-Afflicted
how wide would a tele neck be if it had 24 frets, 25.5 scale?
What is the nut width?
what is the end width?
width at 24th?
What is the nut width?
what is the end width?
width at 24th?
If a tele had 24 frets
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ctmullins
Tele-Afflicted
Is this a trick question?
Whatever width is correct for the bridge string spacing.
If you have a bridge already, then you know the spacing, and you can do a bit of simple geometry to get your desired neck width.
Whatever width is correct for the bridge string spacing.
If you have a bridge already, then you know the spacing, and you can do a bit of simple geometry to get your desired neck width.
Newbcaster
Tele-Afflicted
I have a fender standard strat bridge. I was just wondering if anyone knew off the top of their head. I don't think fret 2 find actually tells me this as a point of datum.
@Newbcaster
The nut width would not change. The neck's total length would increase by ~18.8% of the remaining scale distance for every additional fret on the neck, measured from the preceding fret. Ref: see the "rule of 18."
The biggest effect of a 24 fret neck on a Tele would probably be pushing the neck pickup's location toward the bridge. That does change the tone a bit--especially when playing position 2 on the switch.
The nut width would not change. The neck's total length would increase by ~18.8% of the remaining scale distance for every additional fret on the neck, measured from the preceding fret. Ref: see the "rule of 18."
The biggest effect of a 24 fret neck on a Tele would probably be pushing the neck pickup's location toward the bridge. That does change the tone a bit--especially when playing position 2 on the switch.
ctmullins
Tele-Afflicted
Fretfind can do all of that and more.
hemingway
Doctor of Teleocity
Just done a quick measurement on my tele and a 24-fret guitar. It would move the neck pickup back about 1 cm, which I don't think would change the tone at all.
I built this guitar for my son's buddy last winter.
An HH offset, 25.5” scale, 24 fret.
The nut width standard, & neck pocket size standard. Hipshot hardtail bridge.
The neck ended up to be about 3/4” longer than standard, 21 fret, which puts the nut a bit further from the body, compared to standard, & moves the bridge closer to the neck pocket. So a little less room for pickups, between the heel of the neck & bridge.
Comparing to the Jazzmaster 22 fret, I built.
Here is the thread of the complete build.
Offset Build 25.5” scale & 24 fret
Scott
An HH offset, 25.5” scale, 24 fret.
The nut width standard, & neck pocket size standard. Hipshot hardtail bridge.
The neck ended up to be about 3/4” longer than standard, 21 fret, which puts the nut a bit further from the body, compared to standard, & moves the bridge closer to the neck pocket. So a little less room for pickups, between the heel of the neck & bridge.
Comparing to the Jazzmaster 22 fret, I built.
Here is the thread of the complete build.
Offset Build 25.5” scale & 24 fret
Scott
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eallen
Friend of Leo's
It doesn't change any width. It only makes the neck longer to accommodate the extra frets and moves the pickup location to accommodate. One question is what do you need to do to the lower cutout area to make the added frets reachable, which is also no big deal.
Scott has a great example!
Scott has a great example!
Newbcaster
Tele-Afflicted
What was the width of the fretboard at the 24th and at the end of fretboard?
Its just high school geometry but its still a little tricky laying it out. The nut width remains at 1.6875, the 16th fret is still 3.135 and is 15.380 inches from the nut, the 24th fret is 19.125 from the nut and you can find the width by either right triangles or my laying it out with pencil and paper. If you need a neck drawing to work from shoot me an e-mail addy and I'll send you a pdf.
Why do you ask?
You can buy 24 fret necks with only the fingerboard extended so the fit to the body is the same as 21/22.
Each individual neck varies a bit even among Fender brand 21/22.
I prefer a 1 11/16” nut which technically makes the 22nd fret one iota narrower.
You will not succeed if making a body for a 24 fret neck you have not seen or spec’d hoping our comments will tell you the dimensions the neck pocket should be for a good fit.
It may be the same or bigger or smaller.
You can buy 24 fret necks with only the fingerboard extended so the fit to the body is the same as 21/22.
Each individual neck varies a bit even among Fender brand 21/22.
I prefer a 1 11/16” nut which technically makes the 22nd fret one iota narrower.
You will not succeed if making a body for a 24 fret neck you have not seen or spec’d hoping our comments will tell you the dimensions the neck pocket should be for a good fit.
It may be the same or bigger or smaller.
The same as it is on a 21 fret guitar. The neck route is the same, which works with the standard bridge.
Scott
Newbcaster
Tele-Afflicted
Technically it is with the parallel sides (the "bases") being the nut and last fret. We don't think of it as a trapezoid because the bases are so short compared to the legs but it is.
(Assuming we aren't talking about something wonky like this)
All the way through the 1990's I played super-strats type guitars with 24 frets and as a guitarist I came to believe that the concept of a desire for 24 frets is logical, but even if the frets were accessible, 22 frets were all that I really wanted. The 2 main reasons were that the 23rd and 24th frets never get used, while in the keys that I play in have me reaching for notes on the e and b strings on the 22nd fret fairly often: The 2nd reason was that the neck pickup has to get moved towards the bridge and that makes it hard for neck pickups to have the same tone in the neck position. The tonal difference is relatively minor, but I think it's a totally unnecessary inconvenience.
So, What I did was to make the neck 2-1/4" thick at the heel and design the neck to be about .2" longer than a 21 fret neck to fit the 22nd fret in while preserving the normal heel end of the Tele neck and then to move the whole pocket back about .2" and steal that space from the gap between the end of the heel and the front edge of the neck pickup route... So, the pickup location is the same on Tele and Strat pickup in ss/sss/hh and hsh pickup layouts... I also use the Ibanez AANJ neck joint and make the lower bout a a tiny little bit deeper to be able to use the 22nd fret: The end result feels familiar and has all of the functionality of the extended length of the neck that can actually be used without any fret access issues.
I think from a design perspective as a guitarist, people give up too much for the 23rd and 24th frets on most guitar designs. I found the exception to that is a design like the Steinberger - which is totally different in every way.
So, What I did was to make the neck 2-1/4" thick at the heel and design the neck to be about .2" longer than a 21 fret neck to fit the 22nd fret in while preserving the normal heel end of the Tele neck and then to move the whole pocket back about .2" and steal that space from the gap between the end of the heel and the front edge of the neck pickup route... So, the pickup location is the same on Tele and Strat pickup in ss/sss/hh and hsh pickup layouts... I also use the Ibanez AANJ neck joint and make the lower bout a a tiny little bit deeper to be able to use the 22nd fret: The end result feels familiar and has all of the functionality of the extended length of the neck that can actually be used without any fret access issues.
I think from a design perspective as a guitarist, people give up too much for the 23rd and 24th frets on most guitar designs. I found the exception to that is a design like the Steinberger - which is totally different in every way.
epizootics
Tele-Holic
Two weeks later but I thought I'd chime in?
For all intents and purposes, and disregarding the aesthetics, this is a Telecaster with 24 frets:
Looking at my CAD blueprints, nut width is 1.614" (41mm) with a 1.334" string spacing (34mm) ; with a 2.126" string spacing at the bridge (54mm, a simple Gotoh Tele bridge) and a 0.138" (3.5mm) offset between the string path and the edge of the fretboard I ended up with 2.212" (56.16mm) width at the the heel. The neck and fretboard end where fret 25 would be.
While the higher frets are not as accessible as they would be on an SG-type guitar, they are totally useable and don't feel like I had to sacrifice much to get them in. I did push the neck pickup back a bit but you'd need to move it further in for it to stop sounding like a Tele neck pickup
For all intents and purposes, and disregarding the aesthetics, this is a Telecaster with 24 frets:
Looking at my CAD blueprints, nut width is 1.614" (41mm) with a 1.334" string spacing (34mm) ; with a 2.126" string spacing at the bridge (54mm, a simple Gotoh Tele bridge) and a 0.138" (3.5mm) offset between the string path and the edge of the fretboard I ended up with 2.212" (56.16mm) width at the the heel. The neck and fretboard end where fret 25 would be.
While the higher frets are not as accessible as they would be on an SG-type guitar, they are totally useable and don't feel like I had to sacrifice much to get them in. I did push the neck pickup back a bit but you'd need to move it further in for it to stop sounding like a Tele neck pickup
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