I want to figure out how to do this...

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  1. Mr_Q

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    This is an Ernie Ball Music Man Armada. It's a thru-neck design that I like quite a lot. (Dumb name though...) I believe it's no longer in production. I've never seen one in person.

    Notice the white V on the face. It appears to be inlaid double binding. Or maybe it could be some kind of pinstripe paint?

    Wouldn't an inlay like this be rather challenging? How might one do this on a carved top? (No CNC available.)
    Appreciate any input from the TDPRI brain trust.

    Cheers,
    Q

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  2. Freeman Keller

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    I think top is two pieces, one being the flamed maple insert. One review of the Armada says "The body is topped by a striking layer of figured maple that's cut in the form of a "V" to highlight perfectly 2 Music Man proprietary humbucking pickups". If that is the case it would be reasonably easy to bind the insert and the edge of the top separately. WBW plastic binding bends pretty easily and the little miters at the edges wouldn't be that hard to do. You could also route a channel after the top was assemble but with the arching that would be quite a bit harder to jig up.
     
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    You would just have to build a rig that doesn't ride on the top when cutting, like what acoustic or LP builders use for cutting binding channels. Setting up a fence for an accurate straight-line cut would be the difficult part.
     
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    An elevated V shape template hovering over the guitar, much like how one would cut pickups or a neck rout in a precarved body. You could set up guides and a template bit on top of the intended plywood template to cut out the V. Then mount that on legs.


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    ^That's a great idea, Marty. I should've thought of it since that's how I did the routs on my baseball bat guitar :rolleyes:.
     
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    That's how I routed out a neck cavity in a carved LP body too.
     
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    I agree with this method for building what I see in the photos. Bind the vee-shaped portion first and then insert into the body.Trim the binding at the junction with the main body so it properly intersects with the perimeter binding prior to installing that perimeter binding.

    That is one beautiful body design!
     
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    I'd say the original guitar was initially just the triangle bit, but when they harnessed it up, the neck dived straight towards the centre of the Earth, so they thought "Better add some extra weight at the back!!!" So they hack-sawed a V into an old body that the neck socket was wrong in!:lol::D

    Seriously, a nice looking shape!

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    From the looks of the pictures I’m wondering if they glue up the top binding and all, then they carve. Seems like if you were picky about the binding material you could carve the top after it’s all glued up.

    But I’ve never worked with binding some I’m not sure how it would go.
     
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    I don't know if it applies to this guitar, but I saw a video where it showed an ernie ball guitar being built that had a contoured body with a binding. What they did there was route a channel in the body blank and then fill it with a liquid version (molten) of the binding and then let it harden and then cnc route the body and contours. I know that this is not the same but they could still route the channel with a cnc, see the cnc here as the rig, and then inject the molten white black white binding. a bit like toothpaste comes out striped of the tube. Later they can just level and polish the whole.

    But What do I know?
     
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    I've seen a blue one played by Mateus Asato in 2017, vid by TC Electronics to introduce his tone print 'Asatoverb'. I guess it is still in production?

    Hope this helps.

     
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    Freeman, I believe you are correct. It's two pieces. Hmm.

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    Marty, I think that would allow me to do a one-piece version. Or route a channel after I glued up a V insert cap.
    Thanks for the idea and quick model!

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    That's helpful. Yes. I can see that it's a curved carve only on the V insert, and flat on the lower part.

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    There are a couple of tricks used to bind and purfle the tops of acoustic guitars. I will sometimes route the channel and use some square teflon material to fill it while I'm gluing things together - glue doesn't stick to the teflon and I can pull it out when the glue dries, leaving a nice clean channel to install the purfling. This is the normal way of doing the pearl inlay around the edge of high end Martin. Here it is being used on a style 42 guitar - the channel will be filled with pearl just like the rosette

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    I guess if I was going to do something like this I might use the teflon to make the channel when I glued the different pieces of the top together.

    Violin purfling channels are often cut with a hand held cutter the follows the edge of the top. Ibex makes one. You could make a template for something like this and cut the slot after the top pieces had been assembled - if you didn't carve the center until after it was glued on you could leave a little ledge for the cutter to follow. This could also be done with a small router if you put some sort of fixture to set the depth of the cut - I use something like that to route binding channels on archtops and lesters.

    I would want to see a profile of the top to decide exactly how to jig this up (and for that matter, how to do the carving), but, yeah, I can think of several ways to do it that don't involve a cnc.
     
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  19. Mr_Q

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    I just found this video. Answers many questions.
     
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    Why not just laminate the top piece in 3 layers? Maple/Black fiber/ White fiber. When you shape the top, the edges of the thin layers will be exposed as a black/white stripe.
     
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