noname_dragon
Tele-Holic
I'm mostly a clean country player and use pedals.
Will it be loud and clean enough for band gigs?
Will it be loud and clean enough for band gigs?
I want a 3x10 tweed Bandmaster... anyone have opinions?
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Matt Sarad
Tele-Afflicted
https://victoriaamp.com/product/model-45410/
The Victoria has 4 10" speakers. I have a vintage Fender Tweed Deluxe and a Victoria Tweed Deluxe. The Vic is a perfect modern version of a vintage Fender.
The Victoria has 4 10" speakers. I have a vintage Fender Tweed Deluxe and a Victoria Tweed Deluxe. The Vic is a perfect modern version of a vintage Fender.
Timbresmith1
Friend of Leo's
My opinion is that you are correct.
I think it weighs in at 28 Watts. IIRC they get thick when cranked, like a Super or Pro of the same era, so it's a matter of how much clean headroom you need. If you're not a loud band, it will probably do the job if you insist on a Bandmaster, but a Bandmaster circuit is midrangey and it's cleans are warm cleans.
However... if you're after a clean tone and use pedals, why not get an amp that's clean from quiet to loud? Any black panel Fender of appropriate wattage will deliver what you say you need. If you're going to gig it, get the right amp instead of an amp you want.
However... if you're after a clean tone and use pedals, why not get an amp that's clean from quiet to loud? Any black panel Fender of appropriate wattage will deliver what you say you need. If you're going to gig it, get the right amp instead of an amp you want.
If you can find one...look for a Clark Tyger...it won't be cheap but....I own a Clark Webster/Harvard and I love it, it's the only modern amp I own.
https://reverb.com/news/4-best-fender-tweed-amp-clones
RJ
https://reverb.com/news/4-best-fender-tweed-amp-clones
RJ
stantheman
Doctor of Teleocity
Listen to "Who's Next" - that's a 5E7 Bandmaster, 3/10's @ 26 Watts along
with a Gretsch 6120 Nashville.
Pete may have used a Dallas Range Master on the LOUDER passages.
To hear an outstanding example listen to
Brett Kingman's review of a 5E7 and a
Range Master (the last minute) and...
You'll never look back.
Truly The Tone Of The Gods.
Forever You will feel the need for Tweed.
with a Gretsch 6120 Nashville.
Pete may have used a Dallas Range Master on the LOUDER passages.
To hear an outstanding example listen to
Brett Kingman's review of a 5E7 and a
Range Master (the last minute) and...
You'll never look back.
Truly The Tone Of The Gods.
Forever You will feel the need for Tweed.
Are you specifically looking for the Fender reissue? I can tell you that the sound of that particular amp is very much determined by the P10R-F speakers Fender used. They sound good and quite mellow for a 10" Jensen type alnico speaker, but they are not loud at all, and therefore the amp is not. I find that the amp does not have much clean headroom. A world of difference with amps that have more efficient speakers. That circuit also does not have the typical Fender mid dip that the 5F6a Bassman has.. It gets the scooped sound from its speakers. Also the stock cathodyne PI distorts very early (which can be fixed if you want to). Many clones borrow the large and heavy 5f6a Bassman cabinet.
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What makes you want one? Have you played one? Have you played a 5F6A? What amps have you been using, and what do those amps do or don’t do that makes you go looking for something different?
The 5E7, of which I have owned two ‘59s at the same time, is my favorite tweed Fender. I have owned a fair number of tweeds….5F6A be8ng one of them.
If you are looking for a tight, punchy tweed amp that holds together at higher volume, then the Bassman is what You want. The 5E7 has less headroom prior to overdrive, and it sings eagerly due to the smaller output transformer.
I was playing a 40w SFBMR through a single twelve, and it was enough. So I reckon three 10s would be more than enough.
I'd like to make a combo of this amp with a 12 and a 10 -- a modded Vibrolux Reverb -- but would like to find a good tech to service it first.
BMR's make me happy.
I'd like to make a combo of this amp with a 12 and a 10 -- a modded Vibrolux Reverb -- but would like to find a good tech to service it first.
BMR's make me happy.
A 5E7 Bandmaster is a different animal than a BF/SF Bandmaster/Bandmaster Reverb, ime. And….I wish I were closer.
gabasa
Tele-Holic
The tweed Bandmaster is great if you're looking for vintage, midrangey-tweed Fender sounds at higher volumes than a 5E3. However, given the choice for a larger tweed Fender circuit, personally I'd prefer the 5F6A.
Fwiw, I've tried both, but never compared side-by-side. However, I did simultaneously own a Clark Tyger as well as a Clark Piedmont, both of the exact same era and build quality as one another, and preferred the Piedmont by a longshot. I guess that YMMV.
Victoria uses awesome transformers, built by Lenco that you can't get elsewhere, and I tip my hat to them for going the extra mile in this regard. I agree with @Matt Sarad that the 45410 might be a great choice.
Fwiw, I've tried both, but never compared side-by-side. However, I did simultaneously own a Clark Tyger as well as a Clark Piedmont, both of the exact same era and build quality as one another, and preferred the Piedmont by a longshot. I guess that YMMV.
Victoria uses awesome transformers, built by Lenco that you can't get elsewhere, and I tip my hat to them for going the extra mile in this regard. I agree with @Matt Sarad that the 45410 might be a great choice.
douellette
TDPRI Member
I had the Victoria Victorilux. It was a 3x10 with a similar circuit, and it was cool.
0utputXfmr
Tele-Meister
You might also want to take a look at this: http://drzamps.com/product/z-master/
Only sold through Sweetwater, though, and pricey.
Of the old Fender lineup, the BandMaster was always my favorite-- delightfully-offbeat and maybe a touch eccentric-- but there's nothing else quite like it!
Only sold through Sweetwater, though, and pricey.
Of the old Fender lineup, the BandMaster was always my favorite-- delightfully-offbeat and maybe a touch eccentric-- but there's nothing else quite like it!
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0utputXfmr
Tele-Meister
Might not be loud enough on its' own for an Arena or outdoor stage gig-- but those usually have decent PA support anyway, at least nowadays.
Should be fine for bars, clubs, or anything up to (and including) the size of a local theater, by my estimation.
SnidelyWhiplash
Friend of Leo's
A lot of the early Doobie Bros. was a tweed BM belonging to Pat Simmons. Idk if it would give you the sound you desire considering you like cleans & use pedals.
Choosing speaker sensitivity has almost direct effect to volume. Speaker power rating and magnet type has significant effect to compression which effect louder end of the volume.
Low power rating Alnicos are quietest because of low sensitivity and compression which happen low power!
High power Ceramics are loudest because of higher sensitivity and less compression!
Neodyms and high power Alnicos come somewhere in between previous two?
Low power rating Alnicos are quietest because of low sensitivity and compression which happen low power!
High power Ceramics are loudest because of higher sensitivity and less compression!
Neodyms and high power Alnicos come somewhere in between previous two?
JRapp
Tele-Afflicted
All of the E series tweeds are headroom challenged in a live situation (been there, done that for 40 yrs). If you're looking for any kinda clean BF-type tone ala 'country', a 5E7 will not get you there. I'd be looking at a 5F8A or a 5F6A for a nice clean tone at band volume.
