I Hate My Tone!!!!

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Happy with guitar, CS 70th Ann. Broadcaster but amp and fx chain are not doing more than sliding tone left and right instead forward if you get my drift....

Makes me think new amp time! Full time RV'er means smaller. Current Fender Tweed Champ RI seems more one dimensional that I originally thought and doesn't shine till dimed and my dog hates that...not to mention neighbors! :D Read a Jenson P8R brightens the tone but ~$100....Tried a 12AX7 in place of the 12AY7 and sounds a little different on the good side but I fear I'm asking too much from the Champ

Best amp I ever had was a Swart Atomic Space Tone but too big for RV and hated controls on the back. Looks like a Swart STR Tremolo may be a good option. 5w smaller package with top controls. Great reviews...

So....When you want quantum tone changes what do you mess with first? I think I've run it out as far as I can get with the Champ and don't want to fool with its electronics as stock are selling for more used than I paid new.
 
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I’m just the opposite. I found my “tone” with one participant amp. Learning about the amp’s “sweet spot” and translating that into my other amps was an eye opener for me.

That‘s my story. Your mileage may vary.
 

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Happy with guitar, CS 70th Ann. Broadcaster but amp and fx chain are not doing more than sliding tone left and right instead forward if you get my drift....

Makes me think new amp time! Full time RV'er means smaller. Current Fender Tweed Champ RI seems more one dimensional that I originally thought and doesn't shine till dimed and my dog hates that...not to mention neighbors! :D Read a Jenson P8R brightens the tone but ~$100....Tried a 12AX7 in place of the 12AXY and sounds a little different on the good side but I fear I'm asking too much from the Champ

Best amp I ever had was a Swart Atomic Space Tone but too big for RV and hated controls on the back. Looks like a Swart STR Tremolo may be a good option. 5w smaller package with top controls. Great reviews...

So....When you want quantum tone changes what do you mess with first? I think I've run it out as far as I can get with the Champ and don't want to fool with its electronics as stock are selling for more used than I paid new.

It can only get so good at really low volume. Sub-champ is never going to be amazing sounding.
Best you can do at that kind of volume is a bigger speaker, or more speakers, and a bigger cab. Fuller sound at low volumes, in my experience. 2x10 or 1x15. Of course the amp will be even cleaner, just bigger sounding.
 

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For my couch practice sessions, if I even fire up the electronics (I usually just rock an unplugged Casino), said 'electronics' is a Line 6 Pod 2.0. If I wanted an amp to play along with music, I'd get a very small modelling practice amp. The Marshall CODE series currently appeal to me, but there are a million options out there.
 

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I have the same reaction as @sax4blues ...my memories of getting my jollies with small tube amps involved turning them up and it doesn’t seem like that and “RV” go in the same thought stream to me.

However the things that make Champs special for Champ lovers are kind of diametrically opposite to what I do these days. I’m reaching for the less sag/more headroom tighter, cleaner ripcord most of the time these days.

With that in mind, the modeler suggestion seems most practical to me. You could tweak a modeled champ-type tone all over the place at low volumes and maybe achieve some of those final artifacts you might be after, at RV/dog-friendly levels.

Though if you are interested in champs in the first place having some guy on the internet suggest modeling as a solution might make you feel ill. In my small tube amp days I was pretty in love with the whole old small amp vibe, including the smell of late 50s circuits getting hot.

Still, can’t hurt to stop in places and spend a little time trying some modeling devices and get a feel for them, starting with their small-Fender sounds, and see if anything grabs you.

A modeling device is usually what I use these days...either DI with headphones for home recording bass, guitar and lap steel, or driving a power amp and cab for playing bass with the band. I don’t use most of what it can do, FX wise...for me it’s just acting as a flexible, reconfigurable preamp.
 

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I don’t know what’s in your effects chain, but I’d ditch the effects altogether and plug straight in. Crank the amp and regulate the output volume with your guitar volume knob.
You may find a great sound in that amp… and hopefully you won’t get on the dog’s nerves too badly. Reverb and a trem would be the only effects I’d add, if I absolutely had to have them.
 

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When amp size is your main criteria you have to compromise.

Get a Fender Mustang I, multiple classic sounds out of the box you can tweak to fit your guitar. If you have to have a tube amp put the Champ in a 12 inch cabinet or get a bigger rv.
 

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I have to imagine playing electric guitar in an RV is worse than playing in an apartment. You're going to annoy everybody. I keep an old telecoustic in my motorhome, and I only play it unplugged, and I don't pick very hard 😎

Unless I'm boondocking out in the middle of nowhere, then who cares?
 
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Change your way of playing (fingerstyle vs pick, gently, softly, etc.). Find a tone you like with a simple setting (guitar+amp). I believe you can find nice tones on any piece of gear, just depends on how you play...
 

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I only tried one of those tweedies in the store and could not clean it up for the life of me.
Maybe a c8n in combo with a maybe a 5751 or 12AU7. wish you luck
 




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