I found a dead (tele) body - need some autopsy / forensics / guitarcheologists

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  1. skunqesh

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    Good point - there is a faint PG 'tan line' but it's really hard for my camera to pick it up.
    I'm 99.9% sure it's an old refinish, cuz it's kinda dirty (in a good way).

    I keep tryin to get a pic that captures the color well - it's a challenge but here's one from yesterday.
    (Note - I never trim the strings immediately after assembly - you never know if it all has to come apart again and restringing a string-thru tele ain't fun with clipped strings, lol).

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    the parts pile comes together...
    note the size of the neck pup route - definitely not standard tele dimensions.

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    It’s definitely got mojo. Congrats on the find.
     
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    At first the action was waay off, but a little shimmy brought it right down.

    It went from "Rocky Mountain Gondola Cable" height to "Oh.MY.GAWD!!" - no buzzin, no fussin'. The neck action is sizzlin tite. Plays like buttah
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    Looks great! Glad it plays well. I bet it sounds good too.
     
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    So, it's sonic blue??
     
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    I think it's more Daphne than Sonic, but either one would be in the ball park.

    It's my first 'blue' guitar, so I'm enjoying the contrast :cool:
     
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    - String ferrules aligned "too straight" for 60's
    - lower electronic routing "too round" for 60's
     
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    Bridge pickup routing to even
    for sixties

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    Looks like a modern non-Fender body with a nice relic finish to me. As well as those details already mentioned above, the edges are too sharp to have ever been sanded/refinished and that neck pickup sits ever so slightly too far away from the neck imo. Neck pocket markings must therefore be fake.

    Cool looking tele body though and if it plays well and sits nicely with the rest of the parts, what is there not to like?
     
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    Agreed - this all concerned me before I pulled the trigger on it.
    That all said, I didn't drop mad money - it was no more than relic'd MJT or other well made relic.
    If someone went to the the trouble of faking an aftermarket body, there was no extra ordinary payoff in this situation.
    (Note - MJT stamps his work with his own initials)

    The neck pickup holes were there, just covered up by the refinish - picked away at it a bit and was able to uncover them. The alignment was off tho - and that kinda jives with the extra pick guard holes. It doesn't prove much, in fact - it kinda supports the idea that this body is something other than Fender. Unless.. (crazy theory): someone enlarged it to install a strat pup, and this forced the (new) pickguard alignment?

    But here's a thing- If someone was gonna fake a neck pocket stamp for a late 60s body - T.Chambers doesn't exactly rise to the top of the list, imho. "Herb G" or "J Torres" I could see.

    This all gets into the difficulty of confirmation bias - where one sees what they hope or want to see, and why I really appreciate everyone's input. :)
     
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    No expert here but some things sort of make me question it a bit. The crazing (crackling) seems aweful tight and uniform to me, which is counter to what I've seen on confirmed vintage finishes. Not saying it's not legit, but sort of odd to me. The other thing is, if it was a refin from decades ago, where's the ghosting that one usually sees where the pickguard was? If the furrels were sunk during the time of the refin, why would someone go through the trouble to do this? If it is a refin, the neck pocket sure looks aweful clean to me... did they strip even the pockets and routes first, removing all traces of the original finish?
     
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    Can't help on the forensics, sorry, but that's a gorgeous Tele, congrats!
     
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    Original T. Chambers stamp
     
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    I too am not sure why anyone would go to the trouble to fake a Chambers stamp. It's also possible to have a straight ferrule row. If it was mine and I wasn't going to sell it I think I'd be content to believe that it's a modified, refinished vintage Fender body and leave it at that. It's really cool and makes a great looking tele. Good score.
     
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    lolz - ohmygosh! that khaler route! whooaa..
    it's well done, but oyvey - not my cuppa tea!

    The other (68, stripped) body was on my radar and unfortunately outta my budget, plus - I'm diggin the Daphe (Sonic?) blue relic finish I ended up with.

    Having the neck and pickups was half the battle, and joining them up with a body that matches the vibe has been on my 'To Do' list for awhile. Amz contented :D


    Now, what to do with that '66 neck and pickup set... ;)
     
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    I have no idea but guitarcheologist would be an awesome YouTube channel name!
     
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    Awesome man. At the end of the day, this is all that matters :) Rock on!
     
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