I don't know why, but I view cheap Squiers as Fenders, but I have never viewed Epiphones as Gibsons.

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It's not a separate company, it's a division of Gibson. That's more than just a brand name.

Epis used to be made under contract by various factories, but for years now, most are made in two Gibson-owned factories in Qingdao, China.
there's a great kentucky fried chicken in Qinqdao, next to the Epiphone factory store, by the battery land fill.
 

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Every time I see an ad for a Les Paul for sale, and then see that it's an Epiphone, I feel a little deceived. Sure, Epiphone makes and sells a "Les Paul", but it's just a different thing to me. I mean no offense to the brand or those that love them - far from it, but Gibson being the original means something to me. Brand names stand for something in my opinion...Levi's, Coke, Keebler, Ford, Marshall (UK), Heinz - they're all iconic, and usually for a good reason.

My humble opinion, and there's no offense intended.
 

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Every time I see an ad for a Les Paul for sale, and then see that it's an Epiphone, I feel a little deceived. Sure, Epiphone makes and sells a "Les Paul", but it's just a different thing to me. I mean no offense to the brand or those that love them - far from it, but Gibson being the original means something to me. Brand names stand for something in my opinion...Levi's, Coke, Keebler, Ford, Marshall (UK), Heinz - they're all iconic, and usually for a good reason.

My humble opinion, and there's no offense intended.


i prefer the bolt on neck on the epi's to the set neck on the Gibson.
 

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[Epiphone] guitars are built under contract by various factories that are not brand-specific.

Not the case with Epiphone in particular, since Gibson built a dedicated operation for building Epis in China, nearly 20 years ago. In the few decades before that, they they were commonly made in Korea by Samick, Peerless, and Unsung. And before that, the Japanese years.

To the OP, you ought to change your thinking, because an Epi is no less a Gibson than a Squier is a Fender. In fact, the Epi might be more so, given their history, and the fact that they have been built in a self-owned factory for nearly 20 years now. You can start by going out and playing some '60s Epis, which were built alongside Gibsons in the factory, to the same standards of quality.
 
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I don't know if this even makes sense, but it seems Gibson has always been reluctant to admit that Epiphone exists, while Fender has always been more than happy to sell you a Squier.
 

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Every time I see an ad for a Les Paul for sale, and then see that it's an Epiphone, I feel a little deceived. Sure, Epiphone makes and sells a "Les Paul", but it's just a different thing to me. I mean no offense to the brand or those that love them - far from it, but Gibson being the original means something to me. Brand names stand for something in my opinion...Levi's, Coke, Keebler, Ford, Marshall (UK), Heinz - they're all iconic, and usually for a good reason.

My humble opinion, and there's no offense intended.

Gibson don't really help themselves with this perception either with the whole 'Inspired by Gibson' tag on the Epiphones and the whole 'Play authentic' stuff.... I don't think they want people to think of an Epiphone Les Paul as an 'affordable' Gibson Les Paul, rather just something 'lesser' that was inspired by one.

Fender seem far happier for Squier guitars to be seen as 'Fender' guitars by consumers the Fender head stock shape being the clear example of that.
 

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Guys like Junior Barnard would beg to differ re: quality. Epiphone had a proud history of great instruments before the Gibson acquisition.

p.s. Do the switch/controls seem familiar (volume knob, tone knob, blade switch)? It's a pretty safe bet that Leo directly lifted this set-up for the Telecaster.

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I don't know if this even makes sense, but it seems Gibson has always been reluctant to admit that Epiphone exists, while Fender has always been more than happy to sell you a Squier.

If you go to the Gibson website there isn't even a link to Epiphone. :D

Go to Fender and you can check out all the Squiers while you are there.

https://www.fender.com/en-GB/squier/

It's a totally different approach.
 

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Can't completely explain the reasoning but as I have become older, I have become less and less interested in brands. My Stratocaster and Telecaster are strictly speaking not that. But they sound, feel and look like them so to me they are. I guess I view it as a recipe rather than something that only one brand can do. People who are very concerned about having a specific brand name on the headstock don't seem to worry much about new leadership, new owners and the like.

For me it's been too long ago since it all started. A factory bearing a particular name but with no original workers or builders left can be a great factory. I just don't put to much into the idea you get the original, whatever that ever was. That certainly does not mean I don't buy anything from those big brands. I do because they still make great stuff.
 

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I don't understand my own thinking here. I can pick up a Fender Squire, no matter the model, or a Mexican Tele, and it's still a Fender to me. But pick up an Epiphone and I don't even consider it as anything but an Epiphone. No insult intended to Epiphone owners, I've played a lot of good sounding and playing Epiphones, but I've never even thought about buying one. I seemed to have completely been passed by that particular experience. How say you?

IMHO- Gibson has done everything in their power to make then different.
Fender has tried to make them the same.
 

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Despite the history of Epiphone and Gibson being separate and competing guitar makers back in the day,
except for the few RI's original Epi electric and acoustic guitars,
I do think of Epiphone as making affordable budget Gibsons.

This is exactly what I look for in an Epi- a 'Gibson' I can afford!
( I think of Fenders and Squiers in the same manner, as even a MIM Fender now, cost too much for me
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I know materials and construction may be of lesser quality, but I'm fine with that.
I've had very good luck with 3-4 different Epis through the years, and IMO, they have never been better than now. ( about 2014)

Look at this 2018! SG Love it! ( got it last year w/o case on CL, $300!)

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I don't understand my own thinking here. I can pick up a Fender Squire, no matter the model, or a Mexican Tele, and it's still a Fender to me. But pick up an Epiphone and I don't even consider it as anything but an Epiphone. No insult intended to Epiphone owners, I've played a lot of good sounding and playing Epiphones, but I've never even thought about buying one. I seemed to have completely been passed by that particular experience. How say you?
And you are "right on the money"! It's an Epiphone and some of them are great and some are......well you know. Just like those Gibsons that are "off the chart" expensive.
 

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2 things .... The headstock isn't the same.

and Epiphone have their own models, it's far more 'it's own company' even though Gibson owns it.

I don't think of Jackson guitars as being Fender either.

Interesting point. I'd never considered it before this thread, but I think I always lumped Squiers in with other Fender-inspired bolt-on double cutaway designs, and I came up in the hair/shred 80s when there were a lot of those around.

Whereas I always saw Epiphones as a less expensive way to look like you were playing a Gibson. And that seemed less appealing to me. Not sure why, and in any case if I had a hankering for a two-humbucker guitar with a tune-o- matic bridge and stop bar tailpiece I surely wouldn't shun an Epiphone now. I'm into sound and function these days and don't care what's printed on the headstock.
 

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When I first started learning about guitars (in the 1960's) Epiphone was considered a "budget" line of Gibson's, so I always considered them part of Gibson. But nothing on an Epiphone ever SAID Gibson. ( to my knowledge) However, all Squiers (again, to my knowledge) say "by Fender" somewhere on them. My first Telecaster was a 1993 made in Korea Fender Squier, that actually had (from factory) the large Fender logo on the headstock, with a little-bitty Squier Series decal at the "bulb" or tip of head.....so Fender themselves considered that guitar to be a Fender.
Also, since The Beatles thought enough of Epiphones (Paul's Texan, John and George's Casinos) I never thought to think them inferior.

I started almost the same time as you, but was influenced by people (like the Beatles) who considered Epiphone a separate brand.

But in 1972 I bought a Japanese made "Epiphone" and my longing for anything Epiphone went out the window by the end of the year. This was a contractor guitar and not Gibson or Epiphone as we were told about them by the older fellows. Certainly nothing like the 50s ES-125 I had the long term use of.
 




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