HSS tele sounds "hollow" on position 5. Help?

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    So I have a HSS fender tele and recently changed out the bridge humbucker to a Duncan Alinco II pro. When I engage the middle coil and humbucker it sounds.....off. Kinda like you're running it thru a talk box or something. There's no bass, just sounds hollow. Also a lot more feedback at position 5 and 6 but 6 sounds right harmonics wise. I tried switching the humbucker wires thinking maybe I had them on the wrong pickup
     
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    This is my first pickup I've installed myself so any help would be appreciated. I switched out the green and white wires and made sure the ground wire was well attached. No change.
     
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    It sounds like it is out of phase or the coils are in parallel. I'd reverse the hot and ground on the humbucker or one of the pair of two wires and see if that makes it sound normal. If it is a 4 wire humbucker, you may want to investigate the colors and determine what each pair are. Not all humbuckers have the same colors. Find the appropriate wiring diagram for your particular guitar and then you should be good.

    https://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/latest-updates/humbucker-wire-color-translation

    Your white and red should be soldered together according to the chart for normal HB mode. Black is Hot green is ground. If the red shown in the picture is soldered to ground and is the duncan pickup, that may be your problem right there.
     
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    Yup, sounds like OOP. Solder red+white together, and tape them off. If you're trying to do a coil split on that switch, hold off for a bit, until you sort this. Green to ground, and black to the switch.

    Does it still sound weird? If so, swap green and black.

    Then, either way, to do a simple coil split, attach both red and white together, to one common DPDT lug. The lug that's active when the switch is thrown should be grounded.
     
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    Yeah, the way it's wired in the pic, it's running both coils out of phase.
     
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    I had tried swapping the green and white wires on the switch connectors, that pic was what it was like when I opened it up. I had paid a guitar shop years ago to put in a Duncan JB and it never sounded right at 5. I will tie together red and black and try that but id think that would be more about the grounding buzz than lacking bass at 5??
     
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    I can't see circuits very well in photos, but I believe @Peegoo. If that's the case, and it's a Duncan pickup, then you need to swap one pair of leads.

    The pairs are (hot/common): black/white, and red/green. Wired together in series (not OOP), as a full HB, it's black to the switch, green to ground, and red+white together, taped off. Or connected to your splitter.

    Swapping green and white isn't helpful, because those are the commons of each coil. You need to swap the hot and common of ONE coil. Either black/white, or red/green.
     
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    ^^That^^ is correct!
     
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    Need pic of has tele please?
    Thinking about putting one together myself
     
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    What do you mean? Like a pic of the wiring?
     
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    You nailed it! Works exactly as it should. Pathetic that a professional couldn't install it right the first time.

     

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    Glad you got it working.

    Not trying to be critical, just helpful: That wiring is a mess... At the least, I'd get that black tape out of there. If you need insulation, use heat shrink tubing. If the tape is holding a connection together, well, solder works a lot better.
     
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    Found another issue: now when in 6th position, with that tone switch thing down zero volume. Works when it's flipped up.
     

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    Position 6? How many positions do you have? What kind of switch is that?
     
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    Actually none of that is my handiwork. Done by previously said tech. All I did was resolder the wires you instructed me to.
     
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    HSS. So with bridge only engaged. I have no idea what the little switch is, seems to affect tone a little?
     

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    We need more to go on. I can't tell squat from photos, I need to see circuits. Maybe someone else can translate from a good pic of all the connections.
     
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    I can tell that's a three way switch. How are you counting to position 6?
     
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    No it's a 6 way. Neck, neck middle, middle, middle bridge, and bridge. HSS
     
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