How Often Does Guitar Aesthetics (or Flaws) Get In The Way of Playing/Keeping Guitars

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  1. Skydog1010

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    There are limits to what I will endure aesthetically, but I'm all about how I can play it and how it sounds.

    She has to put out or get out.
     
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    Looks are important to me. There's kind of a bonding process I go through with an instrument and my feelings about the look of a guitar either enriches that bonding process or disrupts it in annoying ways. I don't like the headstock on some guitars. If I had to play a guitar every day and had to think about how much I hate the headstock every day that would annoy me. That's why I like to play and see a guitar before I buy it (I know that's not always possible, though). Anyway, I have to align a guitar's looks to its tone for me to get hot and bothered over it. I have a weird taste though. Super expensive guitars turn me off. Super excellent cheapies are kind of my aesthetic. I have a need to one up the players who have the most expensive custom shop whiz bang guitars. Sometimes that need draws me to silly looking guitars that mainstream guitarists would scoff at (well, the mainstream guitarists of my imagination :)).
     
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    Optics are very important to me also. Not so much the perfect joinery, but aesthetics, shape, color have to grab me, or I never get to the “how does it play” part. I know I miss out on a lot of great playing guitars, but that’s just the way it is. I have to look at it every day after I buy it so it’s gotta be good.
     
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    Looks can matter; that's fine. There are a MILLION guitars out there and you can have looks and playability and sound all together. And if you have the money to buy gear and then dump it at a loss because something irks you, well, more power to ya.

    On the other hand, the flaws the OP is balking at on this one are so trivial that I gotta say "get a grip man!" That's a gorgeous guitar! If the flaws aren't visible to the audience or to you when you are playing it, then are we even really talking about aesthetics?
     
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    I care quite a bit about how a guitar looks. I do not care about flaws that you have to look (closely) to find. That Casino look great!

    If you buy another Casino, one thing you can be certain about is that it won't sound the same. It may sound better, it may sound worse or it may sound neither but different. And it will have some other visual flaw. Then, the flaws on this one could be what makes it special.

    A week is also, in my opinion, a very short time to learn to know a guitar.
     
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    It actually is trivial! I know! When I took it to my gig last Sunday, I was just all over the guitar and how good it sounded in the mix and how I enjoyed playing it very much..

    The only time I noticed the aesthetic issues was when I got it the first time.. noticed the strap button, off centered.. then I when I was doing my set up and noticed the tooling marks on the edge of the fretboard past the 15th fret, where I dont go anyway...

    but when I strapped on, I didnt mind the off center strap button, at least the screw isnt stripped, and I didnt play past the 15th fret, and even if I do play further up the neck it doesnt affect playability.. the fretboard is so dark I cant see it 1 ft away.
     
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    I get you with cheap but excellent..

    So being curious about these guitars, remember that this is my first time to dip my feet into the Epiphone/Gibson waters and Im very eager to try out the real thing.. This store is near me and I tried this one..

    https://www.guitarcolonel.com/index...on-es330l-2009-custom-shop&controller=product

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    Safe to say that it was beautiful to see.. striking red and the feel is just something that needs to be experienced personally.. Strummed acoustically, loud. Resonant. Plugged in, glorious..

    But I cant help but feel that the Casino I have, in terms of playability, its almost the same.. fit and finish on the Gibson is top notch.. but my Casino has the same feel to it.. except the aesthetic issues that I mentioned.. Maybe its just on my head.. I didnt bring my Casino to do an A vs B test to see how close my chinese casino to the american gibson, but after playing the Casino every night since I got it, I can say I got familiar with it and can tell that it's 70-80% there in terms of feel and tone..

    Gibson pickups just have that certain warm, punch, articulate and growl to it.. Maybe this is because Im plugged into a 1970 Twin Reverb they have in stock, and Im playing through a Vox Pathfinder 15R at home, so definitely, theres a lot of differences right there.. Also this is the Long neck version and mine Casino has been built differently in terms of neck joint.. Maybe I need to find proper Gibson es330 with the same neck joint...

    The Gibson has spaghetti strings on it, I cant really judge it.. My Casino has 11's and I did my preferred set up and action on it, so it will feel really good to me.. its hard to decide which I prefer more without my Casino beside me to quickly change to... but all in all, Im happy that even my affordable Casino is in the General admissions seating of the ballpark stadium that is the ES330..
     
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    On solid bodies, at least there will be some consistent things that would make it closer to the next one, different yes, but still close..

    On hollow bodies like this one, all bets are off!
     
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    I don't know... I have played maybe 25 Baja Telecasters. Some have been close, and some have been so different that it's like another model. Light-heavy, resonant-dead, stiff-slinky and then how it feels to the touch. How pronounced is the V-shape of the neck? All that varies a lot, on this very regular mass produced guitar.
     
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    Yes, I agree with you on this, my experience have been a bit more forgiving on solid bodies, but on acoustics, and hollowbodies they are just vastly different from each other!
     
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    This isn’t about playing guitar with our eyes. It’s about not being able to accept a minor flaw in an otherwise excellent guitar. A flaw no one else can see and only you think about.

    It must be very frustrating to feel this way and I empathize with you.

    In college I remember writing love letters to my girlfriend (now wife of 31 years) and throwing out an entire sheet of paper if I didn’t like the penmanship of the first line. It was weird and wasteful but I grew out of it and it hasn’t manifested in other ways that I’m aware of.

    First step is acknowledging the problem right? And you’ve done that. Maybe you’ll send this guitar back, try another and send that back too, and do it many more times. But hopefully one day you won’t feel that way anymore and are able to let the strengths of the instrument outweigh its flaws to your joy and satisfaction.

    Best wishes to you brother.
     
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    I'm so bad that I literally can't play without looking at my left hand the whole time. If I don't do that my fingers end up in the wrong place!
     
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    What I learned about that is that I was never gonna get better at playing without looking until I stopped looking. ;-) What flipped the switch was I started singing, and I couldn't get up to the mic as long as I was looking down....
     
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    Don't get me started.

    Some people hear with their eyes - and more often, with their wallets - to the point where they can convince themselves of anything.

    I, of course, am never guilty of this. Ever. Nope. Never. Honest.
     
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    I don't want to be picky, but...........the grout in your wall tiles isn't all that even!
    Send the Casino to me and buy the Gibbo.:D
     
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    If I had two guitars, both with great sound and playability, but I didn't like the way one of them looked; guess which one would get played most.

    Like wise if I had a guitar that looked great, but didn't have the feel or sound I like it wouldn't get played.
     
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    Between minor quirks and weird little construction errors, I hope to to God that you never get your hands on any of my guitars.

    If it feels/plays good (somewhat adjustable), sounds right (also somewhat changeable) and isn’t downright ugly (BC Rich), I’ll play it.
     
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    Oh, for heavens' sake. Those are easy fixes! Plug and redrill the hole for the strap button and run some sandpaper over the tooling marks, and you'll have your perfect Casino. Or even easier, play it a bunch of shows with it and bang it around and put some marks from your musical life on it, and you'll have your perfect Casino. That's a beautiful guitar, and it's going to be even more so once it's got some miles on it.
     
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    Yeah, I get it. There are some things my OCD won't let slide, some things I don't mind.

    If guitars make you happy, and you are not putting yourself into a tight spot financially swapping guitars for one that makes you happy, then do it.

    I can't fault anyone for those small things that bug them; I tend to be like that too.
     
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    The OP is one of a number of excellent photographers, who contribute to TDPRI. I enjoyed following the link to his work. Someone with such a strong visual aesthetic is always likely to become fixated on these little details, isn't he or she?

    Don't worry about it. It's just your personality, directing your musical tastes. :D
     
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