I wonder how consistent they are from amp to amp. That has never been the case with tube amps. If they are indeed consistent, then the Deluxe and Twin sounds may become even more defined as the sound of the ToneMasters rather than the tube models.
I don’t know what tube amps you use that notoriously crap out, but in 50+ years of playing I’ve ONE amp failure on stage and have seen two more from people I was playing with.
Doesn’t sound like tube amps are your thing. I’ve never heard of any one having so many issues. It’s really unbelievable.Have owned lots of tube amps. 3 mesas, one mid 60s blackface bandmaster, one silver face Champ (I believe a late 70s?), a hand built amp from Winnie Thomas, plus three modern production era Fenders (HR deluxe, DRRI and a Bassman LTD). All three modern produced Fenders had tube rattle (and yes, even after changing tubes) and the HR deluxe would literally change channels by itself while I was playing. Again, by itself, when I was several feet from the footswitch. None of the other amps I mentioned ever had tube rattle problems at any volume or especially any kind of demon possessed channel switching problems. The silver face champ intermittently gets the sound where it sounds like you're frying an egg (maybe a cap problem?). Had it fixed once and it came back a few years later. It hasn't made that sound recently so I haven't worried about it.
Point is, at least for me, modern day Fender amps suck in terms of build quality. Period. I've heard it said it's due to poor solder connections and the poor way the tubes are attached to whatever it is tubes are attached to. I don't know. I'm not a tech. All I know is I don't want to pay literally a THOUSAND freaking dollars for an amp and have it sound like a tamborine is playing because of tube rattle or have the channels switch and projectile vomit due to demon possession.
So have I seen tube amps fail? Modern day Fenders, yes. Repeatedly. I will never recommend any modern day Fender TUBE amp to anyone. EVER.
However, the TMs are not tube.
And the internal components are completely different.
So it'll be interesting, at least to me, to see how they hold up.
Or I could just go back to Mesas and learn to live with them.
there isn't much for them to pull the plug on, though, unlike the Superchamps or Cyber twins. That said, there is a used Cybertwin in town that still kicks along perfectly, all knobs motors move, etc. TMs make one sound they isn't much to change on them with firmware.Always afraid Fender with pull the plug on these, and then parts will be hard to come by. I'm fine with my regular tube amps.
Power scaling, lighter weight, direct out for recording or going to FOH, consistency from one to another, possibly easier to maintain (but only time will tell about that one), and the ability to very easily flash a firmware update for things like installing or removing the "bright cap mod".OK, so out of three pages of positive posts, there's been one dud with issues. Not too bad. With all the negative things I've heard I'm pretty surprised.
I've been thinking my next amp was going to be a DRRI, but maybe I should get a Tonemaster instead. The one thing that has always bothered me about the series though is that the prices are pretty high for SS. It's kinda like "why get a SS when I could spend a hundred and fifty more and get a reissue?"
I think that might be a bit harsh.I'll never have an issue with one. The whole 'build an SS amp that looks exactly like a tube amp so old guys with bad backs who are a little freaked out by true modelers can pretend they're playing the real thing' marketing strategy seems incredibly cynical to me. But hey it worked and people are buying multiple TMs when Fender could easily put them all in the one box!
You pretty much described the ideal situation for the TM amps.Many love them, many hate on them. But I'm wondering (and of course it's purely anecdotal), but how many of you have had major issues with your Fender Tone Masters? How many have bought one and it's crapped out/died on you during a gig, at home just jamming a way, at rehearsal, etc.?
I ask beaus so many here seem to trash these amps nay saying they aren't reliable, will breakdown, haven't been proven yet, etc.? Yes, a traditional tube amp is MUCH more serviceable and easy to fix (if you actually have a reputable and reliable amp tech in your area, which is a dying ar in itself), but we all know that tube amps are notorious for crapping out at the the most importune time, and we can argue that we put up with these somewhat fickle amps because of how good they can sound.
I'm not trashing on the Tone Master, and in fact considering buying one. I'm not a tube amp snob, and don't thing that a modeling amp is beneath me. I've owned a few amps worked on and modded by MUCHXS (not sure if he's even around here anymore) and love my tube amps, but don't won them anymore and jsut looking for something to fill a void. No longer own an actual amp. Been working and in grad school the last 2 years and getting back into playing electric regularly (been playing acoustic almost exclusively for the last couple years) and just want something to mess around with at home, record with and take to the rare jam with some friends.