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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Stringbanger, Jan 19, 2020.
I know which people on this thread I would buy used gear from.
This case, for me, poses a real dilemma. If I bought the couch from an individual and found the money, I'd feel compelled to return the cash. But he bought the couch from a thrift store and that gives me a karmic "out", in my way of thinking. First, the original owners should have gone through the couch to make sure there wasn't something left in there, like quarters, panties or condoms. Second, the thrift store should have gone through the couch to make sure there wasn't something left in there, like quarters, panties or condoms. That money is now mine.
I feel like I'm pretty honest but I also feel like the guy who returned the money went above and beyond what he should have been compelled to do by my standards. He kinda eff'd up even. But, good on him. I hope he gets amazing karma for his actions.
There's doing what is legal under the law, and there is doing what is right, and that is something you instantly know, or you don't.
TLDR: I'd return the money based on the particulars of the situation.
The fancy term for that kind of dealing is called arbitrage. There are professional traders (today software programs) that make buckets of money in that style of trading. Is it a legitimate form of labor? It appears that most people agree that it is. Markets are efficient blah, blah, blah . . . There are plenty of of things wrong with how the economy runs. I had to pay an extra month’s rent because I gave a 30 day notice to move out rather than the 60 day notice written into my lease. There are gotchas, service fees, $4 ATM charges, hidden fraudulent charges, gutted usury laws, payday loan vultures, draconian bankruptcy laws, exorbitant education tuitions, tariff prices . . . all up and down the economy these days.
I don't make these corrupt Calvinist rules or even like them, but I have to live with them. It's difficult to find justice and morality in today's world. We're all traumatized by income inequality and the perverse forms of social interaction it breeds. I don't see the logic or morality in trying to track down the origin of money once its value increases. What kind of morality says that the higher the value money becomes, the greater an individual's obligation is to ensure it has a squeaky clean origin? At what point should an individual task themselves with discovering the origin of money? $20, $100, $500 . . . ? What if the person who stuffed the money in the couch did so because they were being neglected and didn’t want their relatives to have the money? Does the individual who found the money in the couch have an obligation to find out? What if the person who passed away didn’t even put the money in the couch and it somehow got in there at the couch factory? Is an individual obligated to track down that mystery too?
By the way, when I find property like a wallet and can figure out who it belongs to, I return it to the rightful owner. If I can’t discover who it belongs to, I return it to somebody (police, security . . .) the owner might come back to in order to retrieve it. So that brings up this scenario. I buy a sofa. I find $43K inside the cushions. I also find a wallet with an ID between the cushions. Do I return the wallet? Of course. Do I return the $43K? Can I determine who it belongs to? Does it belong to me since I own the sofa? I think I would make an attempt at that point to find out the particulars of that money. If the original owners of the sofa were simply unaware of its existence, but were able to convince me that the money was genuinely intended for them, then I would return the money to them. If the original owners were Walmart, then I would not return it. So there you have it.
Drug cartels, Bill Gates, McDonald's . . .
Morals come from fables. Ethics come from experience.
Yes, I am an honest person, as life is too short to end up spending time in jail/prison for a dishonest act or causing undue harm/inconvenience to others. There's also the moral side of being honest. How would I have addressed finding that much money in something I bought or found? I would take it to my bank and put it in my safe deposit box and notify the local law enforcement agencies what I had found and how anyone filing a verifiable claim to the money could retrieve it from me.
I wouldn't go back to a store or place asking about the money. Wouldn't want someone calling uncle Joe and say they needed to go down to the police station and claim their lost money. If someone realized they lost or sold/gave something with that amount of money in it; I'm sure they would go to the store/place and start asking for help - eventually ending up contacting you about their loss.
heads up.if i buy a guitar from anyone here and there is $40 grand stuffed in it you are SOL.
Is it possible that it didn’t belong to the thrift shop either? It’d be absolutely stupid to hide your money in something you’re trying to sell.
As for the money, I’d stick it in a separate account and wait a couple weeks to see if I hear anything.
We all know what’s right, we just don’t all think it’s the same thing.
I do not lie. Or steal. I used to download video games. I found out it was wrong. I follow the Bible and want to preach. And try everyday to be better than I am already.
are there degrees of honesty? As far as I know, there are not. You are honest, or you are not.
If you found the money and did not choose to return it - well, you decide for yourself. But you are not deciding on the question of honesty. If you have to think about it, you have failed the honest test.
You are deciding on the question of whether it is the other guy's loss, and not your fault, etc etc.
No but they would still take it
Keeping something you purchased knowingly or unknowingly is not a question of honesty. If you purchased real estate for the purpose of growing tomatoes but discovered oil would you give the property back? The level of poor reasoning in this thread is alarming. The next round of Brawndo is on the final recipient of my ottoman.
Poor analogy. No one worked for that oil and stashed it under your tomato garden.
I agree that honesty is not the word for what we're discussing. It's integrity.
I like to think I would return the $$.
I find honesty to be a policy that works well for me.
To give an example, when I was in college I took an accounting class in audit. The professor was in the habit of using the same test year after year.
His old tests were commonly available and cheating on his tests was widespread.
Someone complained about this and the professor wrote an all new test for the final.
So, I had the old tests but I also studied the material as if I didn't.
A fairly large number of people in the class failed the final. I made an A on the test.
I saw a lot of this kind of stuff in college but actually studying seemed a better course.
I once lost my wallet. Money and ID.
It showed up, complete, in the mail the next day.
It was a surprise because my driver's license from the wallet still had my old address. How did the finder know I had moved??
There is no privacy anymore!
My now-retired neighbour ran a junk shop and house clearance business. He once told me that when clearing a house of an old or infirm person, you need to check everything especially if it's within sight or reach of their favourite chair. Inside curtain linings, cushions, curtain poles etc. Envelopes hidden in a pile of magazines, cookie jars, everything. He thought that the old timers were stashing money in case of a zombie apocalypse. Or their funerals, which is a bit sad really.
Perfect analogy. No one who worked for that cash got it back bud. You sound like an entitled child who got written out of the will.