How Fragile Is My Gibson Headstock? Your stories please..

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  1. moosie

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    I've never had a break, but when I pick mine up, I notice just how little wood is there at the transition, and then realize that it's mostly hollow thanks to the big truss rod nut... It's a bit scary.
     
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    I just got done with an evening with my Junior. I can't imagine passing over this thing because of headstock security fears.
     
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    A76531EA-CB94-4925-84DC-08199C65A53F.jpeg ED093B8D-790E-4E22-A71F-88DEF24D0379.jpeg If you pay Gibson enough they will make you a neck that’s much harder to break, but these special Gibson necks are very very expensive.
    Maple is stronger but not as classy looking as mahogany so only the most special selected maple is acceptable for these limited offerings from Gibson.
    Adding a scarf joint puts the headstock grain parallel to the weakest section rather than angled resulting in a short grain run at the weakest point.
    Here’s a nice one.
     
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    9E979418-9617-48E3-AD83-39FB0D34268E.jpeg This Carvin from the late ‘70s solved the problem with a combo of a shallower headstock angle, maple instead of mahogany, a generous volute and a shallower neck angle requiring a lower bridge height and no arched top.
    The neck angle change results in the body resting on a flat surface without the end of the headstock hitting if tipped over on its back.
    Much of what breaks Gibson headstocks is the neck angle at the body, an anachronism left over from hollow body archtops.
     
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    4B275B00-C8F2-4A57-AF3F-2969163971A0.jpeg Oh I forgot to identify the former neck that shows how Gibson makes a better stronger headstock for the really expensive models.
    The AAA flame maple comes from their tonewood cork sniffing department.
    Only the best!
    This Uber Deluxe Maestro SG cost $99 and included an amp.
     
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    Yup and real PAFs too. The conversion was done many many years ago way before I became the caretaker. :)
     
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    :eek: change the magic formula :mad: aaaauuuugh! Blasphemy :eek:......
    we have come a long way since we played in the storm cellar the basement , the garage in back,
    when low budget gear was all we could afford and everything seemed so much simpler, not necessarily less angry or
    interested in making a living in the music industry.;)
     
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    Les Paul was a great player and innovator. The body style is iconic.

    But for a company to continue making guitars that are too heavy, expensive, and prone to breaking...

    The headstock issue alone should have caused a boycott when the instruments were first introduced.

    That's a sin against guitar players everywhere.
     
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    I am floored. What a treasure you have there! I got to play a 52, with the original trapeze bridge and non-original p-90's. Even not being 100% original, what a treat that was. Glad it's in the hands of someone who appreciates and cares for it!
     
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    My first Les Paul a 98' that guitar went thru hell and back, bumps and bruises from the night life scene and it survived alot before the headstock finally started to develop small cracks on both sides beginning at the nut. (No it was not finish cracks) I ended up selling it to a buddy who took the headstock to its limits and fixed it and it still soldiers on. Yes if hit the right way they can snap the first time but remember that have to be like letting it fall backwards several times, or dropping it head first so all the weight hits it. And if it cracks fix it.
     
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    Congrats on the 3 1/2 month's! It gets easier and your guitars "somehow" stay in better shape;)
     
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    Well in fairness to Gibson, "WE" did boycott them in the '60s and Gibson responded by discontinuing them.

    The some goofy Brit bought one for a hundred quid and we liked the toanz so suddenly those head breaking guitars were cool and had to be uh zackly like the originals.

    Change it and we scream.
    Make it cheaper and we scream.
    Make it more expensive and we scream.
    Make it the wrong color and we scream.
    Make it too light, too heavy, too pretty, too ugly...
     
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    I've dropped my own self on my head quite badly not just once but twice.
    Not since I was a teen but the pain is now a constant reminder.
    Maybe that's why I don't drop my guitars on their heads or leave them where they can fall or get knocked over?
    I generally treat my guitars a little better than I treat myself, but they, like me, are still just tools and not ornaments for display.
     
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    Who said anything about passing them over? I wouldn't change a thing. I'll just continue to be careful who I let touch mine.
     
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    Twenty-five of the 141 guitars I have owned have been various Gibsons ... not counting Epis ...

    I have been playing 53 years, gigging 41 ...

    Only once has any Gibby I’ve owned ever developed (over time) a slight headstock “smile” ...

    Just my $.02 ... and I’m not a pamperer ... I just play ‘em ...
     
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    I think the real problem is the Mahogany wood. It sounds great, but it's a fibrous wood that can get brittle with age.

    I personally would rather have a Mahogany body with a Maple neck.
     
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    Look, if you're going to run a bandsaw down the middle of your neck, you're gonna have problems regardless of whether it's a Gibson, a Washburn, a D'Aquisto, you name it.
     
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