How does alcoholism kill people

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but if I could drink, and always just be in that sweet spot,
I know 100% of what you mean. When you’re a few drinks in ramping up and you hit that premium mental state. For me, music sounded 20x better - going straight to my feelings and bypassing the normal filtering. It was brief on my way to getting drunk but it was like nirvana. Some historical author called it “liquid sunshine”. I’ve stopped drinking but completely related to this.
 

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An old school mate would start his day with a fifth of Vodka and a jug of orange juice. Reportedly by noon it was gone. His liver blew up at 50, gone. The personal and legal issues are too numerous to mention.

One of my oldest friends and bandmates was such a raging drunk in his 20's we tried interventions, etc. Lost touch, reconnected, same guy. He and his girlfriend had a domestic situation which turned into mandatory testing. On one occasion he convinced the tech to give him privacy while doing a pee test. When it took too long they went in to check and found him dead. As I heard he knew he'd fail the test, was stressed and had a heart attack. I've had a hard time getting over this one.

So many ways for it to kill you, all of them leave wide spread destruction.
 

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I was at the funeral last month of someone I knew who drank themselves to death at forty five.

Re marijuana, not good for the heart, look at all of the reggae stars who have died of heart attacks. Can also cause psychosis particularly if the user had any kind of underlying problem to start with, depression etc.
Not doubting this, at all... I just wonder which reggae stars? Bob Marley: cancer. Jacob Miller: car wreck. Peter Tosh: gunshot. Carly Barrett: gunshot. (Lots of lead. poisoning in that line of work....) And a bunch who were basically old enough for heart attacks whether they played reggae and got stoned or worked at an auto body shop and retired.)
 
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Not doubting this, at all... I just wonder which reggae stars? Bob Marley: cancer. Jacob Miller: car wreck. Peter Tosh: gunshot. Carly Barrett: gunshot. (Lots of those....) And a bunch who were basically old enough for heart attacks whether they played reggae and got stoned or worked at an auto body shop and retired.)
Joseph Hill of Culture and just when I watch the media with announcements of deaths over the last decade those who have not died via foul play it is usually a heart attack.

Google marijuana and heart attack and see for yourself, four to five times more likely to suffer a coronary in the first hour after taking it. People do not want to hear that because it cures cancer etc.
 

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Interesting subject. I don’t know if I’m alcoholic, but possibly. I am almost 71 years old, and never drank alcohol until a couple years ago. My wife was diagnosed with early Alzheimer’s, and as a byproduct, Capgras syndrome. Her cognitive ability has been on a sharp decline, and she doesn’t know who I am after being married for 52 years. I am her primary caregiver, and it takes a huge toll on me. So, to escape some of the pain and depression, I started drinking at night after she goes to bed. I usually drink from about 7:00pm until I go to bed ( or pass out). I do this 4 or 5 nights per week. I drink 100 proof vodka, probably 8 to 12 ounces in a sitting. I’m always at home, and don’t go out. I would never drive. But these few hours of getting wasted allows me to not think about my awful situation. So far I don’t think my health has been impacted. I do get regular checkups. Is there such a thing as “safe drinking”, in a bad situation? I can’t think of good options. I don’t want to do drugs. I read that vodka did the least damage? If you’ve not experienced a spouse with dementia, you may not be able to understand. But is there some pain where alcohol is the best answer?
You are probably nowhere near far gone enough to not walk away from it. Re the earlier post try to find someone outside of friends and family to talk about your situation to, there will hopefully be charities in your city which offer professional counselling services on a pay what you can basis. I can relate to your situation, when my mum was my dads primary care giver she was smoking up to one hundred cigarettes a day, that was her coping mechanism, she quit just short of three years ago eighteen months after my dad died but the damage is done, I can hear her breathing from the other side of the room and the veins in her legs are wrecked.

As an ex alcoholic I can tell you that there are other, better ways and talking to someone is the first step to finding them. Wishing you the very best of luck.
 

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Three of the best musicians/singers/composers I've ever known (and been good friends with) have serious alcohol/substance abuse problems. (Well, one I should say "had." It got him - though it was gravity that pulled the trigger: a fall.)
The other two I worry about all the time. One is a what you might call a rock star, doing fine, for now... he has a bad show once in a while, but people still pay to see him and he's basically doing okay. The other had a huge record deal and drank himself out of it; he's still a great guy, can still sing better than anybody on a good night (if he doesn't drink soon enough to turn the good night bad) and is way too smart to need - or want - me to tell him what's going on. He knows what's going on. (But he - like the friend that passed away - is still party to that dangerous "damn, it's only beer..." myth.
It's a tough one.
 

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Joseph Hill of Culture and just when I watch the media with announcements of deaths over the last decade those who have not died via foul play it is usually a heart attack.

Google marijuana and heart attack and see for yourself, four to five times more likely to suffer a coronary in the first hour after taking it. People do not want to hear that because it cures cancer etc.
Not doubting it... I just didn't know them (and don't know that guy, but I don't pay attention anymore).
And I understand: I don't smoke and never did a lot, but I remember when I was playing in a steel band with a bunch of West Indians years ago smoking pot that made my heart feel like it was going to explode. Luckily, it never did... nor did anyone else's that I knew or ever heard of, so I doubt that it's epidemic, but it certainly didn't feel good.
(But then, wasn't it Levon Helm who said, "I didn't go into this for my health?")
I think that - if you're not predisposed to addiction - you do these things until they get boring. Then you stop.
Unfortunately, many people have that predisposition, be it genetic, behavioral, nature, nurture, whatever...
 

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Alcohol is a poison. Consume small non-lethal doses of rat poison over many years and it will eventually kill you because the body can no longer keep up and repair the damage as fast as it occurs.

This does not even consider the non-physical (mental/emotional) aspects of alcoholism and how it affects attitudes, relationships, etc.
This is the correct answer. In 1994, I sat beside the hospital bed as my older brother took his final breath from alcoholism at 44 years old. It's a bad, bad, way to die.
 

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Sorry to hear about your friend. Some people just never find bottom.

According to Wiki, alcohol can shorten your life by about 10 years. Most common causes for death from alcohol are cardiovascular problems and suicide. I did not know this, always thought it was the liver that got you.

I worked with a woman many years ago that was married to a judge. She talked about how he had diabetes and would abuse insulin to allow him to continue drinking.

Alchohol can be a rough drug. If you are addicted to it, getting off of it can make you sicker than still having it.
 

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Plenty said on how it kills you so I'll just share observations; Alcoholism can manifest itself quite differently in different people, and can also be quite different in how soon it destroys your health.

I've known young to old people that are constant sip of alcohol all day drinkers. A 21 year old kid that was taking shots of Jack before going into work in the morning. The woman who kept a bottle of orange juice charged all day with vodka. Then there are the never before 5 pm ones who then hammer the hell out of it until bedtime. And everything in between those two.

I've seen lighter, but constant drinkers have health problems early, and heavy as hell drinkers last much longer. Different people process it differently.

One of the most stark stories I came across was a few years back; probably 2016 or 2017, when I saw on a Reddit sub I was on that they announced a popular member was having serious health issues from alcohol. I stumbled on the user name and checked his post history to see how he was doing. It interested me because I'm a drinker and it sounded like this person was quite young.

One of the subs he was on, and was still commenting on, was called 'cripplingalcoholism'. Reading the sub notes it wasn't a sub for trying to quit at all, but one where you have accepted you are this and you aren't stopping. If I remember correctly he was probably only in his early 30's and had been having significant health issues for some time from his constant drinking. Been in the hospital; a coma once I think.

He had a job selling insurance which allowed him to work from home, enabling him to drink all day. Side note: I think our addictions sometimes steer us to positions in life to better satisfy feeding the beast. Like the partner we choose even.

He knew it was coming. I think everyone WANTS to stop but you just accept you're not going to beat it. I think sometimes what one is suppressing with alcohol is a beast you don't want to face. Abuse etc.

So within about a month of me reading up on him, he was dead. In his early 30's. Mind you, this isn't the Bon Scott or John Bonham 'too much one night with possibly other substances', but your body failing over time. Your organs.

Sadly, my observation has been, Covid isolation and work from home has only increased the potential for drinking in those of us with a predilection to do so.

No epiphany's or magic bullets here. The only answer is stopping. Or not. No saying is truer than, for an alcoholic; "One drink is too many and a thousand not enough".

Most try and negotiate with themselves for a very long time. "I'll just drink on weekends." "I'll limit myself to X per X." But when you got it in you, you got it in you.

Chris Farley is an example of that for me. Never drank in high school. Went to college, took his first sip, and it was off to the races. Some of us just have it in us.
 

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It's a sad deal. A better question is why? I saw a close business associate that was doing well for himself and family. But he decided to drink himself into death...Somethings going on in their thinking like life's not worth living no hope, different prospective, something happens and it wired the thought process.
 

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This is a sad, troubling topic, as substance abuse killed my dearest love, and I am now witnessing others I love fall victim to it as well. Thank God I saw the light 27 years ago and have been completely clean and sober ever since.

It is a sad and troubling topic, but one that is better discussed than not.

My condolences for your loss, and seeing it being echoed in others.
 

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Plenty said on how it kills you so I'll just share observations; Alcoholism can manifest itself quite differently in different people, and can also be quite different in how soon it destroys your health.

I've known young to old people that are constant sip of alcohol all day drinkers. A 21 year old kid that was taking shots of Jack before going into work in the morning. The woman who kept a bottle of orange juice charged all day with vodka. Then there are the never before 5 pm ones who then hammer the hell out of it until bedtime. And everything in between those two.

I've seen lighter, but constant drinkers have health problems early, and heavy as hell drinkers last much longer. Different people process it differently.

One of the most stark stories I came across was a few years back; probably 2016 or 2017, when I saw on a Reddit sub I was on that they announced a popular member was having serious health issues from alcohol. I stumbled on the user name and checked his post history to see how he was doing. It interested me because I'm a drinker and it sounded like this person was quite young.

One of the subs he was on, and was still commenting on, was called 'cripplingalcoholism'. Reading the sub notes it wasn't a sub for trying to quit at all, but one where you have accepted you are this and you aren't stopping. If I remember correctly he was probably only in his early 30's and had been having significant health issues for some time from his constant drinking. Been in the hospital; a coma once I think.

He had a job selling insurance which allowed him to work from home, enabling him to drink all day. Side note: I think our addictions sometimes steer us to positions in life to better satisfy feeding the beast. Like the partner we choose even.

He knew it was coming. I think everyone WANTS to stop but you just accept you're not going to beat it. I think sometimes what one is suppressing with alcohol is a beast you don't want to face. Abuse etc.

So within about a month of me reading up on him, he was dead. In his early 30's. Mind you, this isn't the Bon Scott or John Bonham 'too much one night with possibly other substances', but your body failing over time. Your organs.

Sadly, my observation has been, Covid isolation and work from home has only increased the potential for drinking in those of us with a predilection to do so.

No epiphany's or magic bullets here. The only answer is stopping. Or not. No saying is truer than, for an alcoholic; "One drink is too many and a thousand not enough".

Most try and negotiate with themselves for a very long time. "I'll just drink on weekends." "I'll limit myself to X per X." But when you got it in you, you got it in you.

Chris Farley is an example of that for me. Never drank in high school. Went to college, took his first sip, and it was off to the races. Some of us just have it in us.
That is how it ground to a halt for me, in a foreign hospital with the beginnings of organ failure at twenty eight and told that I would be dead within six months unless I turned my life around on the spot and I did. Four years previously I had nearly died in an alcohol related accident and a year after that found myself with pneumonia in an alcoholic ward with guys at least twice my age, schoolteachers etc, who were looking at me like "what the hell are you doing here?", I was twenty five at the time.

Self destructive burnout damages everyone close enough to be burned.
 

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Excessive consumption of alcohol negatively affects so many parts of the human organism: from cell division to the conscious experience of phenomena itself, and thus our lives and what we know to be ourselves.

It can be a good thing. It can be a bad thing. Alcohol can ruin many different parts of us and lead us to our deaths. Whatever is the weakest link will go first.
 
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