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Hipshot B/G install with pics!!

Discussion in 'B-Bender Forum' started by RumorsofsurF, Oct 1, 2008.

  1. RumorsofsurF

    RumorsofsurF Tele-Meister

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    I've been in the process of installing my new Hipshot B/G bender on my Tele for a couple weeks now...

    I'll start from the beginning. The bender arrived, so I was super excited to get it installed.

    I figured I'd just cut grooves in the back of the bridge plate instead of the recommended holes. My ex-bandmate did the same thing, but his guitar had the modern saddles (Like a Strat), so it worked for him. Mine has 3 brass barrels. There just isn't enough string tension over the saddles that way, so the strings slide all over the place and there's absolutely no sustain. People think JMs and Jags are bad. There was no way I'm going back to the modern bridge, (YUCK) so I ordered a replacement bridge plate, and received a lefty unit by mistake.

    Nearly a week later after I received the correct plate and procrastinating a bit, I finally got around to drilling the holes in the plate and installing the thing.


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    Initial attempt:

    The unit as it arrived...

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  2. RumorsofsurF

    RumorsofsurF Tele-Meister

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    Taking off the strings....

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  3. RumorsofsurF

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    Test-fitting the unit....It came with a really long strap button screw, which is the primary attachment point. There are also two other holes I drilled and used pickguard screws for extra support. I think I need longer screws though.

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  4. RumorsofsurF

    RumorsofsurF Tele-Meister

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    Removal of the bridge....

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    I didn't want to remove the pickup initially, so I put cardboard down to avoid messing up the finish with my Dremel.

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    Cutting grooves:

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  5. RumorsofsurF

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    Reinstalling the bridge:

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    Like I said, the groove idea didn't work so I ordered the new plate....

    I drilled the holes and installed the unit again, also using the teflon sleeves that came with the bender kit...

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    It's all back together and works fine, except the G always comes back sharp when using the palm lever. I'm going to enlarge the hole in the bridge plate upward a bit to decrease the breakover angle over the saddle on that string. The B works flawlessly, and I've tuned all the fine adjustments. The only other issue I have is when the B bender is actuated with the hip lever,the G goes flat. I believe this is due to the plate moving from the pressure on the lever. There's felt between the plate and the top of the guitar, and the plate moves up and down ever so slightly, causing the G and low E to go a bit flat. I'll either shim the plate or run a screw through the top. I don't really want a big ugly hole in my guitar, so I'll try the shim first....Oh, and the spacing of the saddles is slightly too narrow on the new bridge, so the saddles aren't quite straight. It's not intonating as well as I'd like, but it'll do for Country.


    This thing is really cool, and is perfect for those Clarence White bends.
     
  6. varakeef

    varakeef Tele-Afflicted

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    I did a bit more straightforward installation a few weeks ago.

    I just screwed the hipshot in, left all the string guides unused and lead strings from saddles straight into hipshot over the bridgeplate back edge. I didn't use top load holes or make any notches to bridge.

    No angles, no friction. Works like - like the proverb says where I come from - a train toilet. (Meaning simple and easy, works like a charm.). Some lip balm here and there.
     
  7. bender-freak

    bender-freak Friend of Leo's

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    a word from a lloooonnnnngggg time Hipshot user...if your G string is going flat when you use your B bender function, it may be you are being too aggressive with engaging the B string...it doesn't take much pressure at all...it could ALso be the screw that goes thru the bottom of the Hipshot base upwards to the "pivot" bar fitting between the B and G strings may either not be there or needs to be tightened down very slightly; the bar should run absolutely and completely level with the base plate of the Hipshot with NO movement "up and down" when benders are engaged/used....that screw is very necessary for the Hipshot to operate correctly...if the base is secured to the body properly via the endpin screw and the two screws to either side and the "pivot" bar screw is there and all is very lightly lubricated, it should function properly...good luck, the Hipshot is a fine unit..
     
  8. helle_man

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    Nice Pix!

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    Nice work! You were smart to drill holes instead of just notch the ash tray.

    Make sure you use a lube (I use Big Bends Nut Sauce) on all 6 slots at the nut, and on the bridge saddles where the B, G and low E's cross the saddles.

    On your G string coming back sharp, I would also lube on both sides of the little Teflon tube and let it "drip down" to where the string is making its bend at the back of the ash tray lip. See if that helps at all.

    Shimming the neck may take care of that problem - BUT - keep in mind that you could also ruin the angle for the other 2 strings in the process, causing them to slip out of their saddles too easily when picking with the right hand. Neck shimming is a delicate art.

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    Thanks guys!! I really appreciate the advice. I also find it awesome that the king of Hipshot B Benders replied to my thread....Thanks Will :cool:
     
  11. eddiewagner

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    that´s what i did with mine. works really good and you have a much better tension when you pick hard.
     
  12. varakeef

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    Will Ray is the nicest guy. I saw him at a G & L guitar clinic in Holland a few months ago. I shook his hand and bought his B bender mania DVD, which he autographed for me. What a cool guy and great guitar player!
     
  14. jmiles

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    I do not use the thru-body stringing for any of my strings. I have them all go through the top-mount holes. Couples them to the body in the same manner. When I first mounted my Hipshot B/G bender with three toggles, I noticed that the D string, the only one not going through the top-mount holes, was slightly louder, and had a somewhat different tone than the other strings. Now that I've removed the toggles, I put all strings through the top mount.
     
  15. varakeef

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    Hmmm, I never thought about using top load string holes there but that kinda makes sense. Maybe I try that too, althou I don't notice too much of a difference now. If someting, thru-body strings may sustain longer, but it may be psychological.
     
  16. a1powerline

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    Does anybody know how to take the drop D off a B Bender??????? I thought I would like it but, I really seem to have no need for it. My B and G both work fine. I just couldn't see how even with taking the C clips off how you could get it off. I haven't taken the strings off and tried to get it off yet, just thought I'd get some feedback as to how it's done first. It looks like the axel dowel piece can't come out without bending the tray. Which I'm sure it must come out without anything that drastic being done. Is it just the springs on the B and G that are holding that piece in place?? thx for any and all input.
     
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    I removed it from mine. You just need to slide the C clips on the end far enough in, using C-clip pliers, that you can slide the axle over to one side to create a gap that will let you slide the C clips off and the drop D lever.
     
  18. helle_man

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    They're called snap rings & snap ring pliers. Pretty easy to remove the snap rings with snap ring pliers. First take off a few snap rings that keep the bar attached, remove the bar, then it's easy to remove the snap rings holding the D-Tuner on the bar. Should only take 2-3 min.

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  19. Honga Man

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    I bought these at Ace Hardware a couple years ago and they will do the job.

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  20. Chrisghormley

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    Help with Hipshot Bridge for Hipshot B Bender with G/Dropped D Units

    Hello,

    I recently purchased and had installed a Hipshot 6 saddle modern style (4 screw hole) tele bridge that was advertised as "Hipshot B Bender and Hipshot P/G B Bender ready." The saddle screws run through the middle of the saddle (unlike the 3 screwball hole model) and there are no string through holes in the backplate of the bridge. How does this work? If my tech drills holes through the backplate they'll be offline, and there doesn't seem to be enough space between the top of the backstop and the saddle screws/springs for sting notches. This seems like an awful lot of of work for a bridge that is "B Bender Ready..." Am I missing something? Emailed Hopshot but awaiting reply - thought I'd check with you guys...thanks!
     
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