"High End" Harley Benton ...

  • Thread starter StudentGuy
  • Start date
  • This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links like Ebay, Amazon, and others.

StudentGuy

Tele-Meister
Joined
Apr 4, 2022
Posts
133
Age
34
Location
Planet Earth
As Harley Benton appears to get a "fair shake" here ,I thought this (aside from the Harley Benton Club") , is the best place for this.

Some guys foam at the mouth about the "cheap rip off/poor quality" of HB products, Like they spent $4,000 and got a crappy guitar... I find that those guys usually have an agenda of sorts, like are dealers or "OEM Manufacturers" who wonder how the heck they can compete against the HB product. So they rain on it to suppress interest and create "fear" ...

Me ? I'm just a hobbyist who has been into guitars since 1995 (but still can't play !) but likes to try, and tinker (add low level upgrades and the like). I came into the market, with the understanding that the only way for me , was US made Fender & Gibson. As such, I only bought US made stuff, until I listened what my young salesdudes who did play out, and were in bands were saying around 2018...That about $600 US was all one had to spend , to get a good guitar . They meant MIM Fender , or the like. Then they added , they rather have a PRS SE, than the MIM Fender !!!

I thought they were nutz, until I bought my first PRS SE ...

Fine guitars (but according to PRS snobs, not "real PRS" ) So I bought a PRS S2. Damm fine guitar. but around $1,600 to $2,000 to get into one. With the pandemic and "the inflation excuse", the PRS SE I first bought for $500 to $700 US ... is now $650 to $1000 (and I have bought 2 PRS SE Hollowbodies for more !) Fine guitars ... But with the 2023 pricing , I felt PRS was beginning to "shake down " its Kool Aid addicted customers .. .

I did not have a Tele. I watched several You Tube videos on this Harley Benton business, and for the price (less than a set of Seymour Duncan pickups) I'd take a chance.

Copped a TE-52 NA with the thought of modding everything on the guitar. Well surprise ! The durn thing is fine as is. Does not need "upgrading" (unless you wanna). As for a Tele clone... IT WORKS ! Did buy a second .... just to have a platform for a set of True Fender (G&L) MFD pickups, I will have installed.

I went on a P 90 tear. Copped 2 TE 90 QMs ... They are durn near my favorite guitars in the rack. Aside from living with guitars that cost 8 and 10 times as much !

Copped a CST P90 (a PRS SE CU24 clone w/ P90's) and damm... For a 1/3 of the price of my SE's I see what is possible. I would have had to buy the PRS first to appreciate the HB's though. All are fine. But the HB ? gets there with waay more left in the wallet.

Yes, the JA Baritone is great too (its got P90's and a 30 " scale length !). Bought a MIC Gretsch G5260 first though (those Loathe guys were using it) and it is fine. But the HB ? gets there with for about 1/3 the cost of even the Gretsch (wonder if the Loathe guys know about it ?)

SO Finally to the Subject of the thread The "High End Harley Benton" . The "Pro Series". For me, a Fusion T HH HT FBB (all that for twin humbucker, hard tail ,with a cool PRS SE like veneer top)

They are beautiful. Delivered without any blemishes or flaws. Plays great, the roasted (as opposed to "caramelized") neck will probably be better at winter time shrinking, as my TE-52's did shrink a bit (but much less than my $1,500 Fender Am Pro Jag, or $800 Fender Player Mustang)

Nothing need replacing. BUT let me say, the Roswell pickups are darker that a lot of bright ,"smiley faced EQ humbuckers , like PRS SE 85/15S. The Roswell's are more like the PRS 58/15S in that they are more midrange focused. As a result, they do not thin out when split, and if brighter is your game, they both coil split well!

The neck is worth the price of admission (in Fender Land, that neck would cost you $350, and still not have SS frets). The flamey stripey roasted maple, well finished fret ends. NO SHARP EDGES, and not likely to shrink (check with me in February ) Comes with fine lockers. Tusq nut. Decent hardware...

It freaks me out, to buy a guitar that I don't have to change anything on. Like PRS SE, pay $900, and you still have to spend another $120 for their locking tuners ...

These Fusion T's have me wondering why would I ever pay $900 to $1,200 for a MII or MIM guitar, that may only be as good as my less than $500 High End Harley Benton .

Everyone spends their hard earned ,maximizing their own personal "utility" (likes and preferences) But the HB Fusion line , will get you to wondering why pay more ?
 
Last edited:

Lonn

Poster Extraordinaire
Joined
Dec 13, 2007
Posts
7,201
Age
63
Location
Indiana
I paid right about $200 for the guitar in my avatar shipped back to the states when I visited the Thomann superstore last year in Germany. Last week I put in some Lollar pickups and a Gotoh In Tune bridge. I’ve owned about 10 HB guitars and loved every one of them.
 
Last edited:

BrazHog

Tele-Afflicted
Joined
May 24, 2019
Posts
1,459
Location
CA, USA
I haven't tried a HB guitar myself, but I have a couple of comments anyway:

1) You of course know that being able to buy a Harley Benton puts you in the top 1% of global earners. I mean, look at the median income in Malaysia or Mexico or China.

2) If a guitar is good, it's good. It could be the only guitar you need for the rest of your life. It's not necessary to buy 10 variations (although for some it's certainly fun).

Enjoy your HB, and may it give you a lifetime of music and fun :cool:
 

dreamingtele

Poster Extraordinaire
Joined
Jun 16, 2010
Posts
6,465
Location
Melbourne, Australia
The Fusion T HT with Ebony fretboard and the TE90QM thinline with 2xP90’s are the ones that interest me.

The only problem with buying them is Thomann charging 250AUD to get it to me. And it’s what’s stopping me from buying one - but if I do have a bit more disposable income to pay for the shipping, I’d certainly own those 2 guitars.
 

StudentGuy

Tele-Meister
Joined
Apr 4, 2022
Posts
133
Age
34
Location
Planet Earth
I haven't tried a HB guitar myself, but I have a couple of comments anyway:

1) You of course know that being able to buy a Harley Benton puts you in the top 1% of global earners. I mean, look at the median income in Malaysia or Mexico or China.

2) If a guitar is good, it's good. It could be the only guitar you need for the rest of your life. It's not necessary to buy 10 variations (although for some it's certainly fun).

Enjoy your HB, and may it give you a lifetime of music and fun :cool:
H'mmm.... What is the global earner rank of guys buying Core PRS ? Or even PRS SE ? . I guess when you compare US wage earners to Malaysia, Mexico or China, there will be a major disparity ... Which is why US companies like Fender, & PRS or even Apple, have their products made there ... Instead of here. In the industry, they are referred to as LLC (Low Labor Cost) countries. I got to visit China, doing outsourcing work for Stanley Tool (moving jobs from New Britain CT to Shanghai) a few years back ...
 

Tarkus60

Friend of Leo's
Silver Supporter
Joined
May 10, 2020
Posts
3,489
Age
65
Location
Salem In
Hb gold top. Changed the strings that is it. Fine gitar!
 

Attachments

  • thumbnail (18).jpg
    thumbnail (18).jpg
    146.3 KB · Views: 123

scottser

Friend of Leo's
Joined
Mar 6, 2009
Posts
4,989
Location
dublin
I paid a whopping £165 with free shipping for my Hardly Spenton DC Junior, about half what I paid for my Squier CV Tele. Both cracking guitars. If I needed another I would definitely look at HBs first.
Those DC Jrs really are great value. All I did was lower the action on mine and it plays and sounds great. The plastic nut is a little bit janky though so I'm going to leave it in to a tech and get a bone nut installed at some stage but again, I'm in no hurry.
 

stormsedge

Poster Extraordinaire
Joined
Jun 5, 2012
Posts
8,881
Location
USA
I have four HBs that are great guitars...BM-75, SC450+, SC550 and a Custom Line ResoKing. I purchased the SC450+ to modify, but decided I liked the pickups in it better than those in the SC550, and landed my SD PRails w/Triple Shots in it.

I had a fifth, but recently threw it in on an amp trade bc it was just too heavy (+10lb) for me to enjoy...a pretty thing though.

If I'd found Thomann earlier in the game, I'd probably have more HBs. The Fusions get great reviews on the YT.
 

schmee

Telefied
Ad Free Member
Joined
Jun 2, 2003
Posts
31,222
Location
northwest
I have an carved archtop Tele style thinline I love. Made by the same factory that makes the HB. But pre HB. It's a great guitar.
PRS quality control is superb, but once you see the factory video production line showing how the PRS are made, you realize they are vastly overpriced for huge profit. I doubt it costs them much more to make a typical PRS than it does to make a $400 HB.
Now if PRS was making guitars in the first world, USA etc, it would make more sense that they are expensive.
 

Bongoslade

Tele-Meister
Joined
Feb 17, 2021
Posts
431
Age
105
Location
Delaware
i also have great things to report about Harley Benton. i bought a CST-24 with 2 x P90's - a PRS copy - and i am thrilled with the guitar, it needed no adjustments when i received it. i was going to swap the pickup (i thought) but they are fine.
it is fast becoming one of my favorite guitars... i LOVE P90's now - put one in the neck of my Squier Paranormal Offset Telecaster
HB is a great choice of brand .
 

Hodgo88

Friend of Leo's
Silver Supporter
Joined
Feb 10, 2021
Posts
2,968
Location
Eastern Oregon
I don’t think I could pay for a top dollar HB. At a certain point the money is paying for the name on the headstock (and the income and nationality of the folks who make ‘em). I have given US suppliers of parts like Warmoth and Musikraft more money than I have spent on import guitars because I don’t mind spending for U.S. made.

There’s a limit though. Guys like Bob Logan and Ron Kirn have shown that $2000 is enough for a truly perfect guitar, which makes it really hard to stare at an R8 with a $7500 price tag.

Back to the original point - HB isn’t a name with a history or a reputation, and I don’t see myself paying a premium for it any time soon. Maybe get Alex Lifeson to start playing them and I’ll rethink it…
 

ChicknPickn

Poster Extraordinaire
Joined
Apr 16, 2007
Posts
9,549
Age
62
Location
Coastal Virginia
Harley Benton got off to an uncertain start years ago but today knows how to choose their factories and meet high QC standards. They understand that most of their sales will be to people willing to buy "sight unseen," so they have generous support and return terms. They are showing everyone what can be produced when one opts out of expensive endorsements, flashy ads, marked-up materials, and, it has to be said, high labor costs. I once reported to them that one screw in a TOM bridge had stripped. I said I'd like to buy a set of screws. They asked for a picture, then sent me an entire new bridge set at no cost. THAT is a good response.

HB also understands that there are other good woods out there besides "real" mahogany and swamp ash. There are woods across the world that have superb qualities for guitar builds, are not overharvested, and are priced accordingly. For example, the chambered body of my SC-550 II is meranti, and it is beautiful under a transparent finish. Its grain is virtually indistinguishable from that of true mahogany. But they still deliver the woods that players want for tops, for example. My 550 has a true flamed-maple cap - - not foto-flame, not a veneer.

Where else do they compromise? Tuners, mostly. I think most players are going to want to upgrade the tuners. On my 550, I installed Kluson Revolution tuners. Am I crazy spending that kind of money to upgrade an HB that cost $300 US? No, I assure you I am not. Also, there's no such thing as a pickup everyone will like, so one might assume a pickup swap will be necessary. For me, though, it has not been. The Tesla and Roswell pickups have been great for me. The Roswell P90s are superb.

HB also is not afraid to innovate. Look at the heel design of their single-cutaway set necks. Not only is it attractive, but to me it is far superior in comfort to the joint in a Gibson LP. Stainless steel med-jumbo frets are in many if not most of their better guitars. They are delivering instruments with leveled, polished frets. Mine have come well intonated and needed only minor adjustments to suit my preferences. I've never had to put a file to an HB fret.

I heard an HB executive saying that they can implement design changes on some of their factory lines in 24 hours. That is a high level of manufacturing agility. He also said that the company has heard players saying they want hardware specs wherever possible to mirror those of the classic designs so that swapping out parts with aftermarket hardware is easier.

Yeah, I'm an HB advocate and have not taken a cent, a discount, or a freebie from them in return for my reviews. They're setting a high bar in the industry for "bang for the buck." The only real warning I have for players is that you're likely to want more than one.
 

Ted Keane

Tele-Afflicted
Joined
Sep 10, 2015
Posts
1,296
Location
Westminster,CO
I really like all of my HB guitars.I just got an anniversary Firemist Jag kinda guitar.Just great all around.Excellent QC.They have a shop on Reverb and they don't charge shipping.
 

CaptainCrust

Tele-Holic
Joined
Feb 21, 2004
Posts
741
I’ve got the left handed, double bound Firemist Tele with a flame maple roasted neck with SS frets and locking tuners. The control plate even has the left handed angled pickup selector switch slot. That part is not available anywhere, but Thomann had it made for this limited run. $257 is a crazy price for what I received.
 

beagle

Poster Extraordinaire
Joined
Jul 20, 2010
Posts
5,365
Location
Yorkshire
Those DC Jrs really are great value. All I did was lower the action on mine and it plays and sounds great. The plastic nut is a little bit janky though so I'm going to leave it in to a tech and get a bone nut installed at some stage but again, I'm in no hurry.
Since I bought mine 4 years ago I shimmed the pickup, replaced the bridge when it developed a buzz from the A string adjustment screw. I fitted a Tusq nut because the original was some kind of plastic which seemed to be turning into a sticky putty.like substance.
 

RoscoeElegante

Poster Extraordinaire
Joined
Feb 19, 2015
Posts
6,530
Location
TooFarFromCanada
As Harley Benton appears to get a "fair shake" here ,I thought this (aside from the Harley Benton Club") , is the best place for this.

Some guys foam at the mouth about the "cheap rip off/poor quality" of HB products, Like they spent $4,000 and got a crappy guitar... I find that those guys usually have an agenda of sorts, like are dealers or "OEM Manufacturers" who wonder how the heck they can compete against the HB product. So they rain on it to suppress interest and create "fear" ...

Me ? I'm just a hobbyist who has been into guitars since 1995 (but still can't play !) but likes to try, and tinker (add low level upgrades and the like). I came into the market, with the understanding that the only way for me , was US made Fender & Gibson. As such, I only bought US made stuff, until I listened what my young salesdudes who did play out, and were in bands were saying around 2018...That about $600 US was all one had to spend , to get a good guitar . They meant MIM Fender , or the like. Then they added , they rather have a PRS SE, than the MIM Fender !!!

I thought they were nutz, until I bought my first PRS SE ...

Fine guitars (but according to PRS snobs, not "real PRS" ) So I bought a PRS S2. Damm fine guitar. but around $1,600 to $2,000 to get into one. With the pandemic and "the inflation excuse", the PRS SE I first bought for $500 to $700 US ... is now $650 to $1000 (and I have bought 2 PRS SE Hollowbodies for more !) Fine guitars ... But with the 2023 pricing , I felt PRS was beginning to "shake down " its Kool Aid addicted customers .. .

I did not have a Tele. I watched several You Tube videos on this Harley Benton business, and for the price (less than a set of Seymour Duncan pickups) I'd take a chance.

Copped a TE-52 NA with the thought of modding everything on the guitar. Well surprise ! The durn thing is fine as is. Does not need "upgrading" (unless you wanna). As for a Tele clone... IT WORKS ! Did buy a second .... just to have a platform for a set of True Fender (G&L) MFD pickups, I will have installed.

I went on a P 90 tear. Copped 2 TE 90 QMs ... They are durn near my favorite guitars in the rack. Aside from living with guitars that cost 8 and 10 times as much !

Copped a CST P90 (a PRS SE CU24 clone w/ P90's) and damm... For a 1/3 of the price of my SE's I see what is possible. I would have had to buy the PRS first to appreciate the HB's though. All are fine. But the HB ? gets there with waay more left in the wallet.

Yes, the JA Baritone is great too (its got P90's and a 30 " scale length !). Bought a MIC Gretsch G5260 first though (those Loathe guys were using it) and it is fine. But the HB ? gets there with for about 1/3 the cost of even the Gretsch (wonder if the Loathe guys know about it ?)

SO Finally to the Subject of the thread The "High End Harley Benton" . The "Pro Series". For me, a Fusion T HH HT FBB (all that for twin humbucker, hard tail ,with a cool PRS SE like veneer top)

They are beautiful. Delivered without any blemishes or flaws. Plays great, the roasted (as opposed to "caramelized") neck will probably be better at winter time shrinking, as my TE-52's did shrink a bit (but much less than my $1,500 Fender Am Pro Jag, or $800 Fender Player Mustang)

Nothing need replacing. BUT let me say, the Roswell pickups are darker that a lot of bright ,"smiley faced EQ humbuckers , like PRS SE 85/15S. The Roswell's are more like the PRS 58/15S in that they are more midrange focused. As a result, they do not thin out when split, and if brighter is your game, they both coil split well!

The neck is worth the price of admission (in Fender Land, that neck would cost you $350, and still not have SS frets). The flamey stripey roasted maple, well finished fret ends. NO SHARP EDGES, and not likely to shrink (check with me in February ) Comes with fine lockers. Tusq nut. Decent hardware...

It freaks me out, to buy a guitar that I don't have to change anything on. Like PRS SE, pay $900, and you still have to spend another $120 for their locking tuners ...

These Fusion T's have me wondering why would I ever pay $900 to $1,200 for a MII or MIM guitar, that may only be as good as my less than $500 High End Harley Benton .

Everyone spends their hard earned ,maximizing their own personal "utility" (likes and preferences) But the HB Fusion line , will get you to wondering why pay more ?
Fine review!

What's the Fusion T's neck profile like? It's a C, I know, but skinny, fat, just right in between...?
 

Killing Floor

In Memoriam
Ad Free Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2021
Posts
20,458
Location
Austin, TX
I’ve only played 2 HB instruments. Honestly they were as good as anything under $500. And they look nice too. With a small amount of effort in setup and maybe smooth a few frets you have a guitar that’s worth more than it cost by comparison.

One thing I notice is the overall quality and availability of entry point instruments is much higher than when I was a babe.
 
Top