Heresy - I don't find amp tremolo better than pedal tremolo

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  1. mgreene

    mgreene Tele-Afflicted

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    Thanks! Quite interesting.

    I had a Brown Deluxe, I had to sell when I was broke :cry: Honestly I dont remember the tremolo.

    I have an early Reverborocket - maybe I need to revisit it's trem.

    Definitely gonna to look at the J20 schema.
     
  2. ac15

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    Yeah, if you’re into tremolo, the J20 is fabulous. Not a vintage amp, but a hand wired modern amp that is supposedly almost a brown deluxe clone. I slightly prefer the Deluxe overall, but love the j20 tremolo.
     
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    I did not know that. Thought Juke was the only one that had both. Thank you for the clarification.
     
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    If you have a trem pedal and you want it to sound as much like like amp trem as possible then run it after (spring style) reverb and before distortion. The Fender optical trem is in the last part of the preamp before the power section. So you can hear trem on the reverb trails and the output of the trem gets distorted by the overdriven power section. It’s a subtle difference but setting up the chain like this adds a little realism.


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    That's the factory setting with the Strymon Flint - tremolo after reverb and that's the way I run it. I am absolutely happy with it and therefore opt for pedal instead of amp-tremolo.
    But then it is maybe more a question if you're looking for that ONE sound or if you want different options.
    I'm not talking about a cover band with a repertoire from ABBA to Zappa, but playing in a fourpiece with g, b, dr and voc means to offer some different sounds for me.
    I have a clean tone (= Funk/Jazz-type clean with no overdrive at all) from my amp, a slight break-up crunch from a pedal (OCD) and my overdrive channel (still more of a 70s crunch); stacking the crunch channel with my overdrive pedal gives me enough gain and sustain for lead/rock-tones I want. So it's 4 sounds plus "spices" from my pedals. The "spice" can be different trem-settings, delays (slapback, long delays, dotted 8th, sometimes a bit wobble & flutter sometimes crazy pitchshifting.
    Other people opt for that one sweetspot-tone.
    That's okay, but is a bit like eating pulled pork bbq all the time.....
     
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  7. RLee77

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    Just read a joe gore review of a trem pedal I hadn’t heard of... with a great name: Zeppelin Quaverato. Does both normal and harmonic trem, and seems to have a ton of tweakable options. But the part that really interested/surprised me was that they offer a DIY kit for only $98 (the non-kit version is $198). Definitely going to check this one out.

    Here’s the review: https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/28296-zeppelin-quaverato-review
     
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    For years I've used this Rocktron Surf pedal on one of my boards -- tremolo and compressor. Sounds good and built like a tank.

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    Some people have mentioned one point - you can't beat the amp footswitch for convenience. No batteries, no daisy chains or power supplies, no wires snaking everywhere.
     
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    Thanks.

    It has a unique sounding tremolo, that I think would be difficult to reproduce in a pedal.

    Many tremolos are simple on/off amplitude modulation, mixed in with the dry signal. This tremolo affects more than just the amplitude.

    Some old Fenders had the 'harmonic tremolo,' that splits the signal into high and low frequency components, oscillates them out of phase, and then recombines them before the power section. That is, while the HF is boosted the LF is attenuated and vice versa. It's a very lush and rich tremolo.

    Old Music Man amps had a dual tremolo, whereby when you turn the Intensity past '5' it introduces another pulse, in an attempt to sound more like a rotating speaker. I didn't really care much for it back then.
     
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    The Device I'm looking for would create the sound of an earlier Magnatone.
    For reference "Robert Ward's - Your Love Is Amazing" ...and so's Your Tremolo.:D

    Suggestions...?
     
  12. mgreene

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    I've got one of these, it can combine several different wave forms and so far has been able to mimick other trems pretty good:

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    Old thread. I could go either way here. I have a trem on my small board. Like @theprofessor Im partial to the 4 knob Voodoo Lab. The shape and level knobs really make trem work live. And my JC40 doesn’t have trem. But my 68 CDR does and I’m perfectly happy using that too.
     
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    Black/silverface stuff is the worst of all Fender termolo
    Brownface Harmonic is best, Brownface/Blackface bias is 2nd best.

    Best ever trem pedal? Best I cant tell you because I don't want the price to go up!

    Supro 1310 is 2nd so far. Close 3rd is Source Audio Vertigo.

    I hear that Twin Peaks is great but $450? F'that!
     
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    Agreed, however that's one less pedal you need. For me it opens up a slot for a different effect on my Boss ME80.
     
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    I've never used tremolo over the years, but have been loving it in my Excelsior the past few years. But now I'm playing my newly refurbished SF Champ more and I miss tremolo, so I ordered a TR-2 that will be here tomorrow. Got it for only $46 new using points from my Amazon card

    Have to say that I did notice the Excelsior tremolo seems to take away a bit from the overall sound of the amp. Will be interesting to see how this pedal operates. I'll try it on the Excelsior as well.
     
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    Love the Boss TR-2! Been playing it through my Champ and Super 210 and it's an excellent pedal. I also noticed while I was playing that my old KMD analog delay has been adding some funny noises in the background (had noticed it before but wasn't sure if it was the pedal), so I pulled out an old DanEcho that I have, which is not nearly as old as the KMD, and it's sounding very good now. I'll probably open up the old KMD and see if some components needs replacing.

    Just a hobby player so I keep the pedals to a minimum.


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  18. Awkirk

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    Not the most experienced with Trem pedals as I've owned just one, an EH stereo pulsar has done everything i've asked of it. It does some very cool things. I do love the option of having two "presets" with the pulsar and amp on board reverb. Tremolo is highly underrated. Buddy Miller (who was unknown to me before seeing the below vid,) really had me running to my rig after hearing some of his sounds. Also listened to some of his recordings and they sure are great!
     
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    +1...Great pedal

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    Actually I find them inconvenient as heck:
    -cable never long enough to get to the pedal board area
    -Stiff cable, never lays flat on stage.
    -Flops over easily,
    -Switches too close together on the Reverb Trem ones.
    -an extra thing to run and locate at gig set up.

    Since I started using a cheap tremelo pedal in the 5 piece band, I use it a lot more. For some reason, the Fender amp tremelo gets nasty or lost in the mix. The pedal trem cuts through nicely. Now I dont have to stuff that switch and cable in the back of the amp and worry about damaging the speaker either!
     
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