Help please, I bought a fake FMT HH, is any part real?

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  1. ML1975

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    Hello Tele-sages of TDPRI!

    I let myself be scammed and bought what I thought was a Fender Special Edition Custom Telecaster FMT HH Crimson Red.

    It looked nice and shiny, intact etc. The serial sort of matched what is was supposed to be ICF13000217

    When I got home I plugged it in I found out it couldn't coil split and had strange tuners. On closer inspection, the switch, strap buttons, string trees, knobs, pickup frames were all cheap substitutes.

    I had a hope that perhaps the body itself and the pickups might turn out usable. But when I looked under them, they didn't seem like 59's and Pearly Gates - but I havn't seen alot of pickups. I've attached images. The electronics cavity doesn't look promising either, images attached.

    Is there any chance the pickups or body could be real? i not, any clue what they might be?

    And do people really produce fake Fender FMT HH telecasters? :/

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  2. Si G X

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    I'm pretty sure that pickup is fake, unless I'm mistaken they should be stamped with the SD logo underneath and it just looks kinda cheap.
     
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  3. backporchmusic

    backporchmusic Friend of Leo's

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    Squier made a model that looks just the Fender, or close enough. It was made in Indonesia.

    FWIW, the Fender ones were only mid-range, cost about what a MIM standard cost, and were made in Indonesia only after the production moved form Korea. I'm not sure what quality you expected, but top-notch was NEVER a part of that model.

    I also just went and put your serial number into the Fender online gizmo. Based on that, the guitar is exactly what it is purported to be.


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  4. Si G X

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    ... and yeah, China will make fake anything.
     
  5. backporchmusic

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    Right, China faked that...the most outlandish, least possible explanation is always the truth, right?

    The serial number checks out.

    The pickup looks exactly as it should, with the SD stamp on it. There's a chance someone subbed out parts but I'd say maybe not. It's just that those guitars were...meh.
     
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    Occam's razor. No money in faking something so low end, I'd think.
     
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  7. Si G X

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    I'm not saying that, I was answering the question was "do people really produce fake Fender FMT HH telecasters?"

    I'm not a SD expert but none of the SD pickups I've had have had that kind of baseplate with the circled N on it.
     
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    ... or a red wire for that matter.
     
  9. ale.istotle

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    Seymour Duncan would have a label under it according to their website. https://www.seymourduncan.com/faqs/labels-built-in-or-after-2002

    Do you suspect the whole guitar is fake or it is a real fender that had the parts stripped and changed for cheaper parts? If you post pics of the whole guitar this forum can probably answer that.
     
  10. Si G X

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    These are Pearly Gates

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    and this is what a 59 looks like

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    Thank you for your responses!

    I understnad that the info I've given so far makes it not being a fake possible. I've attached an image of the front, where I think that the tone knobs placement is wrong?

    Also, the strap-buttons are plastic, the switch plastic, the tuners seem like harley benton tuners, the pickup frames are very high and plastic.

    Thanks for the images of the underside of 59 and pearly gates, it sure seems like it isn't them (and it is supposed to be)

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    I hate to say it but I think you may have been taken.

    That pickup looks like a chinese knockoff. As many have said the base plate should have the information stamped on it, and that stencil on top looks like a hack job.

    Also I do not know for certain but it does not appear to have a push/pull pot or a full size pot for that matter which I think a real fender would have.

    My guess is someone salvaged the tuners, the pots and the pups, and replaced them with lower level parts and then sold the guitar for below market value making you think you got a deal.
    The bits that they took off would bring probably a couple of hundred dollars as parts on top of what they sold the guitar to you for. Win/win for the seller, lose for you.
     
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    Here's the best picture I could find of the neck pickup on an FMT HH. I don't see the bulls-eye target pattern on the pole pieces that yours have. But you can send your pictures to Seymour Duncan and they'll tell you if the pickups are fakes. They look fake to me - that N in a circle looks familiar from cheap chinese pickups I've bought (that still sounded really good though).

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    that rear knob is nowhere near where it should be according to that picture in the search result above? It looks about 2 inchs too far back unless it's just the angle or something...
     
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    The serial, overall look and very distinctive abalone/pearl inlays would indicated that the guitar is a MII Fender.

    Perhaps you can find someone who actually has one MII to open the back panel and get a pic of the wiring. If the wire color matches, then hopefully someone will pull a pickup so you can see the backside of it.

    Since we have no idea what year model Fender uses on their file pic for that guitar to compare knob placement--Yours is a 2013 model. Maybe an Duncan expert can say where this model was advertised as sold with USA Duncans 7 years ago?
     
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    I agree this seems pretty much the likely scenario, unfortunately
     
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    Sorry to hear of your misfortune, but there is no way those pickups came out of the SD factory- different magnets, different Font to the name...and generally cheap and shoddy looking by comparison.

    Real Duncan....
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    compared to yours...
    upload_2020-1-15_21-48-8.png .......by the way...Welcome to TDPRI.
     
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    Here's one at Sweetwater
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    I hate to say it, but in addition to the pickups looking like knock-offs, going by stock photos of FMT HH models:

    -knob placement is wrong
    -control cavity looks too small. The stock photos online seem to have 4 screws, and the plate looks larger
    -cheap mini pots and components
    -shape of the upper bout/horn looks wrong

    Not sure what recourse you have but I would go back to the seller if at all possible. Failing that, you still may be able to make a good guitar out of it. Good luck!
     
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