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Help needed reducing heater voltage

Discussion in 'Shock Brother's DIY Amps' started by jvande7, Oct 14, 2020.

  1. jvande7

    jvande7 TDPRI Member

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    Would anyone be so kind as to help me calculate the required resistors to drop my heater voltage?

    I built a 5F1 Champ circuit and the heater voltage is 6.8v instead of 6.3v, and as I understand it this will shorten the life of my tubes.

    6V6GT

    2: 3.4v
    3: 356.5v
    4: 330v
    7: 3.4v
    8: 20.3v

    B+1 383v

    I'm using the Classic Tone 40-18019 PT. I took a crack at the calculations and I think I might need to use two 0.5 ohm resistors, but that could be wrong. I'm also not sure what wattage they should be rated for.

    Thanks!
     
  2. ThermionicScott

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    I assume your 12AX7 and panel lamp are in, too? What's your wall voltage?
     
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  3. Nickfl

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    Don't worry about 0.1v, that is well within spec. Heater voltage tolerance is +/- 10%, though Merlin recommends shooting for 5%, you are within 1.3%. Even of you got it to exactly 6.3, you mains power voltage fluctuates depending on demand on the grid by +/-5% so you can't do better than that anyway.

    Edit: sorry, read your numbers wrong. Still, your off by 0.5v, I'd just let it be. Still only 8%. Check to see if your wall voltage is high today too.
     
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    It is 8% high. Add up the current, use Ohm's Law to figure out how much resistance you need to drop the voltage, cut that in half and put each resistor inline from the transformer.
     
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    120v right on the money, and yes the lamp and preamp tube are installed. Same heater voltage on the 12AX7
     
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    Thanks yeah this is what I believe I did, but I'm still just a rookie amp builder and not confident in my calculations. This is only my 2nd amp kit.

    I was hoping someone could do the calculations so I could compare the results to my own. I believe I need to use two 0.5 ohm resistors, with a rating of somewhere between 1-5 watts haha, so yeah, I'm unsure at best.

    The Google tells me 6V6GT current is 0.45 amps, 12AX7 is .15 (series) or .30 (parallel) ??
    My transformer spec sheet says the 6.3v heater is putting out 2.25 amps

    Which of these am I adding up?
     
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  7. Lowerleftcoast

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    6.8VAC heaters? frrnt.

    If you reduce the voltage with resistors you will create an unacceptable heat source IMO.

    Your tubes will be fine at 6.8VAC. Maybe start to be concerned well into the 7V range.
    Then start thinking *Bucking transformer*.

    Ignore the 6.8 and play yer guitar!
     
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    Who told you that? 6.6V is well within the specs of most tubes.
     
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    A fellow by the name of Rob.

    "Most tubes list the required heater voltage as 6.3 volts +/- 10% or 5.7 to 6.9v. Running the heater voltage above 6.3 volts can shorten the life of your preamp and power tubes. Your amp will also run hotter and consume more electricity."

    https://robrobinette.com/5F6A_Modifications.htm#6.3V

    But okay, fair enough. I'm happy to leave it alone. I just thought it would be worth the minor trouble to throw a couple of resistors onto the lamp and maybe increase the life of my NOS tubes.
     
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    And the panel lamp adds another 0.15 amps, so you're only using about 40% of the heater current rating. If you were drawing a full 2.25 amps, I bet the heater voltage would get pulled all the way down to spec. There was a time when I used to fret about heater voltages, but your tubes might well die of some other cause first. ;)
     
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    Technically true... in practice the heaters run high without tube life complaints. 50yrs vs 46yrs ftw. As @ThermionicScott says something else will dust them first.
     
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    Merlin actually mentions to go towards the lower limit for lower hum.
     
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    I've just been happy to have heater voltage in any of the amps I've built.
     
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    Well, it looks like I would need 0.55 ohms of resistance to drop 0.5v since I have about 0.9 amps being drawn.

    So I would need two 0.25 ohm 1w resistors, but I don't even know where to find such small value resistors, so maybe I will just leave it alone. I have a huge assortment of 1w but nothing lower than 1R.
     
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    If you are asking for advice...

    Been there done that... IMO, don't bother. I even tried 0.1 5W to reduce *some* voltage. The result is too much heat within the chassis. Totally not worth the effort. You can go down the road if you want, heck I did. I won't take that road again. YMMV.
     
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    Thanks y'all. That seals it for me. The amp stays as is.

    I appreciate all of your input. Definitely put me at ease.
     
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    If you really want to try it, 4, 1R's in parallel for each .25 is an option.
     
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    put 4 1W in parallel...

    edit: @tubegeek beat me to it.....:D
     
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    5% I am fine with, approaching 10% I think about it. I do use old preamp tubes though, power tubes I have enough NOS.

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    This would be my mindset as well. Adding a couple of resistors is hardly any trouble for someone who’s built an amp. Why wouldn’t someone with the know-how do what they could to get things as close to ideal as possible?

    I don’t know how to calculate the resistor value unfortunately. I just wanted to let you know I don’t think you’re being unreasonable.
     
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