Help me chose a bedstudio amp - I have some options in mind

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waltschwarzkopf

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Hi guys,

I’m looking for a “does it all” amp. I know that this may not exist and also that these type of things usually do many things well/decently, but none great. That’s fine, as my main amp does exactly what I need and does it exceedingly well. I use it when I can really let it rip in the living room, and since it’s a head+cab I don’t like to move it much and is inconvenient to take to the studio because I take public transport. Therefore, I’m looking for one that can be tamed down to low bedroom levels in the evening BUT that could also be loud enough if I ever take it to the studio along a band (i.e. guitar, bass, drums, vocals).


Here are my minimum specs:
Specs (in parentheses) mean optional.

  • Power: Quite enough for bedroom, loud enough for studio. A power-soak would be ideal.
  • Speaker size: 10” (12” or 2x12”)
  • Tubes: 1 pre-amp, (+1 power). More tubes is not a problem.
  • Channels: clean + crunch (+overdrive/lead)
  • Footswitch: yes
  • Effects loop: (yes)
  • Line out / external cabinet / headphones: (yes)
  • Condition: used
  • Price: as low as possible

I’m looking to buy used in case “the one” appears and I need to resell this, then I wouldn’t take a big hit on the resale price.

So far I’ve found a Laney TF200 ($100) which surprisingly ticks all the boxes and has great-to-excellent reviews. The good part of being hybrid is that the volume can be lowered without affecting the tone much, right? I also saw a Blackstar HT-20 Studio ($300) but I think that is going to be too loud for quite use and/or may not even sound good at those volumes, also quite expensive. I saw too a Bassbreaker 15 ($360) that may not be powerful enough and is not foot switchable, and even more expensive, so it’s almost out of the question. There’s a Tubemeister 5 ($300) not too close to me, but is not foot-switchable and may not be loud enough for a band, but may be an excellent bedroom amp, although I find it quite pricey.

I don’t use any pedals and control most of the sound and dynamics from the guitar controls (yes, I use them and they do not stay on 10 all the time :p), but a footswitch to change the channels is almost a must for me. I’ve also seen many other solid states Marshall/Fender/Line6 15-20W for less than $100, but I think the will not sound that good (at any level) and most probably suck when cranked up to compete with the rest of the band. I want/need at least one tube in the pre-amp as I really like the dynamics that I get. The HT-20 has a volume for each channel PLUS a master volume, so I don’t know if the sound would suffer much when lowered to bedroom levels.

What do you think? So far the Laney looks like an overall winner, do you have any experience with it or the other models? Any other amps that come to mind that tick all or most of the boxes at a low price?

Looking forward to your comments and advise!

Cheers,
Walter
 

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I have learnt the hardest way that use a tube amp (even a low power one) to play quietly is a waste of resources.

Also, it's difficult to combine all that you want in terms of volume in a single amp, maintaining what could be defined as "a good tube tone".

1W amp has reasonable volume to bedroom playing , but probably is too quiet for record. 5W fits studio, but can't cover a drum and is too loud to play without disturb near people. A 18W probably will be OK in a band, but to the rest you will have to use a severe power soak (or work with the master volume at the minimum), what will affect the tone and feel.

Maybe it could be better if you define your priority and nvest in it. Later, you can buy a second amp...
 

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I haven't looked back since I succumbed to the Dark Side and bought a Kemper. I can use the internal power amp to drive a traditional cabinet (usually a Marshall 4x12), or I can run it into headphones, studio monitors, or PA monitors. Any volume from mouse farts to ear-splitting, and it sounds (and "feels") great in every configuration. For a wide range of volume requirements out of one rig, you really can't go wrong with the modern digital units-even the inexpensive stuff that's out now sounds great.
 

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Why do you need anything louder than a bedroom amp in the studio? Many times I've recorded with amp that have roughly the output of Princetons, Champs, AC-5's etc. When properly miked/engineered an small amp can sound like a large combo, a full stack or a virtual wall of heads/cabs.

Assuming the studio has decent isolation, good quality cans for all the musicians/vocalists and somebody experienced on the board there should be zero need for *larger* amps.
 

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Why do you need anything louder than a bedroom amp in the studio?

Maybe I wrote the wrong word. By studio I didn't mean a place to record or "recording studio", I meant rehearsing room, where I would play with another guitar and drums. But it seems like this won't be taking off anytime soon, so a small bedroom amp like the Blackstar HT-1 may be just fine.
 

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Think about emulating amps, like Yamaha THR or Boss Katana. Not only they offer very convincing "tube tones", but they can also be used as interface to record through PC, without microphones (with speaker emulation, sure for THR, almost sure for Katana).
Since I have bought my THR, I barely use my small Randall RD5 tube amp.
 

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There is no such thing as an amp that uses a conventional speaker that sounds really good (let alone great) at below loud-ish TV volumes, at a bare minimum.

It's physics. Even the Katana's on .5w are really loud once they start to sound decent. It's just how speakers work, I think. And recall, at .5w, the Katana is still 1/2 the volume it is at 50w. I just played a 200 capacity bar last night. My Katana 100 was on the 50w setting. Volume and Gain at noon, Master at noon, and I was so loud I had to roll my guitar volumes to 60%. In a loud punk band with a second guitarist. 1/2 that volume is still quite loud.

So if you want a conventional (even digital or SS) amp, think "good enough" for quiet home use.

I haven't explored headphone amps, modeling pedalboards through headphones, or computer interfaces, or digital amps like the Yamaha THR through small studio speakers, but my gut tells me that is the way to sounds approaching great at very quiet volumes.
 

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Even a 5W valve amp is too loud for most domestic situations.

The power scaling that modern amps have is a real bonus - but expect to tweak your EQ as the amp's power stage will react in a different-sounding way.

No biggie - that's why the controls turn up and down.

Since you've got the 'performance amp' box ticked, I'd second the suggestion of the Blues Cube / Katana route.

A friend of mine has the Katana (not sure how loud it is), and it's proved itself to be a solid workhorse for him.
 

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this is my bedroom practice amp, souds oustanding!


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Yamaha THR10 impresses the heck out of me. Awesome little bread box of an amp for practice and recording. Not designed for playing with a full band, unless you miked it through the PA. On it’s own it has great tone even at very low volumes. Driving a pair of powered studio monitors it has a huge, rich, full sound, at whisper volumes or roaring loud. Also excellent with just headphones. Serves well as a digital interface to the Mac, too. Not to mention feature rich with a wide range of EFX and presets. It will also run on a set of AA cells (rechargeable Eneloops or primary AA cells). It has become my most used amp, by far. I love it.

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There is no such thing as an amp that uses a conventional speaker that sounds really good (let alone great) at below loud-ish TV volumes, at a bare minimum.

It's physics. Even the Katana's on .5w are really loud once they start to sound decent. It's just how speakers work, I think. And recall, at .5w, the Katana is still 1/2 the volume it is at 50w. I just played a 200 capacity bar last night. My Katana 100 was on the 50w setting. Volume and Gain at noon, Master at noon, and I was so loud I had to roll my guitar volumes to 60%. In a loud punk band with a second guitarist. 1/2 that volume is still quite loud.

I tend to agree.... I bought a Katana 50W because the massive thread here on it said I had to. :p
I like it a lot.

I have a handful of dusty tube amps and a Fender Mustang II, I love them all, but when It's 2am and I'm feeling Metallica or Killswitch Engage.... Only the Mustang can give me the tone I need without pissing off the wife and kid.
 

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The Blackstar ID:Core 10 impressed the heck out of me, far more so than the HT1/5's that were available to try my prospective guitar purchase with.
The stereo effect was something to behold. Mild crunchiness was available that didn't in any way grate. Impressive stuff indeed. I'd probably swing for the 20 Watt model were I to purchase, but it certainly punched well above its weight to my ears. USB connection to the computer too.

The Yamaha THR range. Yeah, there's a reason they get so many owners praising them.

Orange Micro Dark. So much better sounding then the original Micro Terror. Add a decent 1x10" or 1x12" and away you go.

Hotone Nano heads need to be heard to be believed. All solid state, and none the worse for it. Do -not- buy the Hotone cab. It makes a sound, a very particular sound.

Joyo Bantamp of a suitable flavour through the Joyo Bantamp cab.

But back to your list. Go Laney!

Don't get hung up on valves.
 
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