Help me choose between amp and guitar

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Early '61 style heel/neck. Note that the body ends below the halfway point of the lower horn.
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Later Style SG heel: Body continues almost to the top of the upper horn:

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In general, with Gibsons, any SG that is labeled as a '61 looks like the first sample. Any '66 looks like the second sample. But Gibson has a lot of other names for SG's, as does Epiphone, and Epiphone plays fast and loose with those rules. You really have to look at the neck joint if you have a preference. There are also small and large pickguards which match the early/late years but those are not a solid indicator either (at least with Epi). Ther've been a lot of variations over the years but these seem to be the only two in production in the last 20 years.

Neck thickness also varies a bit. Epi SG's are generally thin (slim taper D) but how thin and how tapered varies by model and year with no specified difference. Gibson has slim C and baseball bats IME.

If you have shorter fingers, you'll definitely prefer the thin'61 style. But it does come with some neck wiggle so it's best for people with a light to medium touch. The later style is thicker and solid - although it's still thinner and more accessible than any LP, Strat, or Tele. SG bodies are on the thin side and with the set-neck, they don't need any thickness behind the heel like a Tele/Strat... nor do they have the thick LP body to deal with.

Let me say a big THANK YOU for this post. I would have never noticed this difference I think, as I am not an SG player or expert. Very helpful, I'll know what to check out before buying.
Thanka a lot.
 

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Everyone should have one killer tube amp.

I recently picked up a ‘68 Custom Vibro Champ Reverb and a ‘61 SG standard with the Maestro Vibrola. Killer combination!
 

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You are right, but I am a lazy guy and really don't want to deal with valves/tubes. Switch on and play, that's what I like at the moment.
Hmm, maybe I’m doing something wrong then. All I’ve been doing is turning the amp on and playing. I missed the part about how I’m supposed to “deal” with the tubes. Especially the Vibro Champ. It has three tubes with only one output tube, doesn’t need to be biased, etc. sure, all amps break down, including solid state amps. The internet will exaggerate the reliability of tube amps, but with that said older tubes are, well, older so they will naturally need more maintenance, caps replaced, fixing all the hack mods people did to them over the years, etc. new tune amps should last you a few decades before even needing anything.

I’d rather have mediocre guitars and a killer amp than the other way around. Having great guitars going through a mediocre amp is like having sex with a condom on. Isn’t quite like the real thing.
 

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UPDATE

Today was the last day of the Black Friday discounts in my favourite online shop, so I pulled the trigger before it was too late and got the Tone Master Deluxe Reverb.
Very happy about this purchase, I have been thinking about it for months and months, finally I did it!

I will take my time about the guitar, as (it is a little embarrassing ☺️) I think I have sold the Riviera. Just this afternoon, right now!

I got a very good offer and decided to accept it: it is a very personal story, don't want to go into details with this, let's say that I couldn't play this guitar without crying, as I received it the saddest day of my life. Each moment spent playing it would remember the moment I got it. Very hard to deal with this.

I can consider the amp paid off with the Riviera, so it is almost free but this leaves me without humbucker. Now I only have the Tele and the J-45, wow!

Ok, now the question is: P90 or humbucker?
 

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Hmm, maybe I’m doing something wrong then. All I’ve been doing is turning the amp on and playing. I missed the part about how I’m supposed to “deal” with the tubes. Especially the Vibro Champ. It has three tubes with only one output tube, doesn’t need to be biased, etc. sure, all amps break down, including solid state amps. The internet will exaggerate the reliability of tube amps, but with that said older tubes are, well, older so they will naturally need more maintenance, caps replaced, fixing all the hack mods people did to them over the years, etc. new tune amps should last you a few decades before even needing anything.

I’d rather have mediocre guitars and a killer amp than the other way around. Having great guitars going through a mediocre amp is like having sex with a condom on. Isn’t quite like the real thing.

Good point.
No, I don't think you are something wrong with your tube amps, it is a simple psychological fact, for me. I know that SS amps will also break, nothing lasts forever, I know that what I am saying does not make much sense, but I feel better if I only have to push one button before playing.

The simple word 'maintenance' makes me feel uncomfortable. On guitars it is different, but with amps that's how I feel. Crazy, I know...

Thanks!
 

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UPDATE

Today was the last day of the Black Friday discounts in my favourite online shop, so I pulled the trigger before it was too late and got the Tone Master Deluxe Reverb.
Very happy about this purchase, I have been thinking about it for months and months, finally I did it!

I will take my time about the guitar, as (it is a little embarrassing ☺️) I think I have sold the Riviera. Just this afternoon, right now!

I got a very good offer and decided to accept it: it is a very personal story, don't want to go into details with this, let's say that I couldn't play this guitar without crying, as I received it the saddest day of my life. Each moment spent playing it would remember the moment I got it. Very hard to deal with this.

I can consider the amp paid off with the Riviera, so it is almost free but this leaves me without humbucker. Now I only have the Tele and the J-45, wow!

Ok, now the question is: P90 or humbucker?
A P90 equipped guitar is tons of fun. I have a recent Epiphone ES339 P90 Pro that meets my P90 needs.

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Next to a Tele Bridge pickup I love P90 bridge pickups. Here are my low budget solutions for you:

-Install a 4-way switch in your Tele for that Les Paul Junior humbucker tone.

-Rotate the bridge humbucker you have in your HH guitar 180deg to put the screw poles at the same location of a P90 pickup and raise the screw poles 1/8th inch and you'll get a great P90 tone. While retaining hum reduction.

-Get a Joyo American Sound pedal to be all the Fender tube amps tones and use your existing amp clean just for the loudness you want.

-Get a '$25' nano Fuzz pedal clone off Amazon, then roll your guitar volume back to clean up the tone like Hendrix.

-Another pickup option is pull the pickups from your HH guitar and then use humbucker sized versions of Gretsch Dynasonic neck and P90 bridge pickups.

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Good point.
No, I don't think you are something wrong with your tube amps, it is a simple psychological fact, for me. I know that SS amps will also break, nothing lasts forever, I know that what I am saying does not make much sense, but I feel better if I only have to push one button before playing.

The simple word 'maintenance' makes me feel uncomfortable. On guitars it is different, but with amps that's how I feel. Crazy, I know...

Thanks!
It’s all good and whatever works for you is the right answer.
 

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Next to a Tele Bridge pickup I love P90 bridge pickups. Here are my low budget solutions for you:

-Install a 4-way switch in your Tele for that Les Paul Junior humbucker tone.

-Rotate the bridge humbucker you have in your HH guitar 180deg to put the screw poles at the same location of a P90 pickup and raise the screw poles 1/8th inch and you'll get a great P90 tone. While retaining hum reduction.

-Get a Joyo American Sound pedal to be all the Fender tube amps tones and use your existing amp clean just for the loudness you want.

-Get a '$25' nano Fuzz pedal clone off Amazon, then roll your guitar volume back to clean up the tone like Hendrix.

-Another pickup option is pull the pickups from your HH guitar and then use humbucker sized versions of Gretsch Dynasonic neck and P90 bridge pickups.

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So many good advices, thanks!
 

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i don't think you can go wrong with a tonemaster deluxe. i love mine.

if you want a LP JR type, be sure to check out Eastman SB55. every bit as good as the Big Name, but you can find a used Eastman and save serious bucks.
 

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I own three amps (all combos) but I only ever use the most recent one (Roland JC-40) — so I’d say guitar before amp based on my usage pattern.
YMMV!!
 

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i don't think you can go wrong with a tonemaster deluxe. i love mine.

if you want a LP JR type, be sure to check out Eastman SB55. every bit as good as the Big Name, but you can find a used Eastman and save serious bucks.

I own three amps (all combos) but I only ever use the most recent one (Roland JC-40) — so I’d say guitar before amp based on my usage pattern.
YMMV!!

Go for the amp. A great amp makes every guitar sound better.

Thanks! I have bought the amp, it was my last chance to get it at Black Friday price so I didn't think twice.
Thansk you for your advice!
 

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I think that you have come to a good choice.


I picked up one of these at a shop the other weekend. I have the Gibson version, and in the hands, no difference really. I could take either and feel equally at home.
 

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I think you have made the right choice, amp over guitars.

Personally I would have gone for something super clean and high headroom in contrast to the mustang but DR TM is a good call for the simplicity you're after.

Yeah, something a bit different would have made more sense, maybe, but I immediately lived its
 

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I think that you have come to a good choice.


I picked up one of these at a shop the other weekend. I have the Gibson version, and in the hands, no difference really. I could take either and feel equally at home.

I will keep this in mind when it's time to buy a new guitar. Thanks!
 

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I think you have made the right choice, amp over guitars.

Personally I would have gone for something super clean and high headroom in contrast to the mustang but DR TM is a good call for the simplicity you're after.

For whatever reason my cell phone doesn't let me finish my previous answer, so I will finish it here.
I absolutely loved its tone when I tried it in the shop, it has the tone I hear in my head. Thanks for chiming in!
 

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A handwired tube amp is what you need if you want your guitar to sound its best, the way a tube compresses the sound and pushes sound and with an open back 2x12 combination to fill every space in the room evenly also I've never had a tube blow on me since I've been playing tube amp,like swapping speakers you can change the sound of your amp by playing around by swapping tubes to change the values in your reverb, preamp, eq which is why a dumble amp is what you need
 




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