Heart Pine... What should I do with it?

Discussion in 'Tele Home Depot' started by JUSS10, Aug 9, 2020.

  1. JUSS10

    JUSS10 Tele-Meister

    Posts:
    127
    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2014
    Location:
    West Michigan
    So a buddy of mine just pulled out an original heart pine floor from his house built in the 1940s. Trying to figure out what to do with it. I laminated a few pieces in to 4 piece neck blanks and tossed one on the CNC for fun. Man this stuff is splintery. Anyway, bad idea for a neck? On the Janka scale its technically harder than mahogany and walnut from what I could see and I know both of those woods are used for necks. Bad idea? it is SUPER dry. Other thought was to use it for a top of some sort. Like make a thinline with a heart pine top? Anyway, he has a huge pile of it and I can use it as I please. Feels like too cool and historical a wood to just let sit or get tossed out.

    Justin
     
    crazydave911 likes this.
  2. ale.istotle

    ale.istotle Tele-Meister Silver Supporter

    Posts:
    484
    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2016
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    I've got one very old 4x4 of the stuff and have no idea what to do with it either. It's an old workbench leg that weighs double what the other legs weighed. It has some cracks and is splintery as well.
    Since you have planks, maybe a thinline body? Probably want to bind it for durability. The surfaces seem very tough but the end grain less so.
    Non-guitar uses - table top? Make yourself a guitar humidor? A cabinet for strings/picks/parts?

    Good luck and let us know.
     
    crazydave911 likes this.
  3. Jim_in_PA

    Jim_in_PA Tele-Afflicted Silver Supporter

    Posts:
    1,718
    Joined:
    May 31, 2019
    Location:
    SE PA near New Hope PA
    Laminated for a body I'd use it. For a neck, I don't think I'd be as comfortable. You already mentioned "splintery" in that respect. Sometimes it's not just about "hardness" and "stiffness", but also how it behaves while machining and over time.
     
  4. Ronkirn

    Ronkirn Doctor of Teleocity

    Age:
    74
    Posts:
    12,092
    Joined:
    May 1, 2003
    Location:
    Jacksonville, FL
    "heart" pine is gonna be a bit heavy... I'd chamber the body, or laminate it to a lighter wood.

    r
     
    igor5 and El Tele Lobo like this.
  5. adjason

    adjason Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

    Posts:
    5,106
    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2010
    Location:
    virginia
    I'd plane it down and reuse it as flooring
     
    dogmeat, jrblue, RodeoTex and 2 others like this.
  6. JUSS10

    JUSS10 Tele-Meister

    Posts:
    127
    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2014
    Location:
    West Michigan
    It got pretty beat up when removed so not really able to plane and re used. The tongue and grooves got pretty beat up.

    attached are some photos on the neck. I’m not afraid of the splinters per say, it sanded down really smooth. More a matter of I have to try machining a different way to avoid the splintering. Regardless, I think I’ll try a top. Maybe like an alder semi hollow body with a heart pine top would be cool.
     

    Attached Files:

  7. a.francis.1968

    a.francis.1968 Tele-Meister

    Posts:
    157
    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2013
    Location:
    sussex
    Buy an old junky beaten up looking amp for cheap and make a nice cabinet for it sell it on and take your loved one out to dinner on the proceeds then do it all again and keep it or make a speaker cab or a pedal board or alternatively store it away for a rainy day...
     
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2020
    Mr. Neutron, Alex W and LeftFinger like this.
  8. trapdoor2

    trapdoor2 Tele-Afflicted Gold Supporter

    Age:
    63
    Posts:
    1,787
    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2018
    Location:
    Sauth Carolina
    I'd certainly repurpose it. Neck, body, whatever. I agree, Thinline would be the best body...but I'd try a solid one too, just because.
     
    Mr. Neutron likes this.
  9. guitarbuilder

    guitarbuilder Telefied Ad Free Member

    Posts:
    22,152
    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2003
    Location:
    Ontario County
    Unless you can't afford other materials, I'd make something else out of it. Not every piece of wood needs to become a guitar. Maybe make your buddy a box out of it. How is an 80 year old floor historical?
     
    Fretting out and Wally like this.
  10. JUSS10

    JUSS10 Tele-Meister

    Posts:
    127
    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2014
    Location:
    West Michigan
    Heart pine really no longer exists as a "new" wood. Its a long leaf pine that was denser and stronger than most pine sold today. Classic case of over forestation, heart pine nearly went extinct. Thats why I would consider it a historical wood but I guess thats a term that can be pretty vague. Point is you can't really run down to your local lumber mill and get this wood new today. Any "new" heart pine is generally old flooring or old construction lumber that has been re planed and cleaned up for new use.
     
    crazydave911 and a.francis.1968 like this.
  11. JUSS10

    JUSS10 Tele-Meister

    Posts:
    127
    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2014
    Location:
    West Michigan
    And yes I plan to use it for other things as well, just thought it was unique and thought I'd give it a try on guitar. If its a no go, I'll find another use.
     
    crazydave911 likes this.
  12. Peegoo

    Peegoo Friend of Leo's

    Posts:
    4,319
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2019
    Location:
    Panhandle of Wyoming
    PROCEED, Counselor!

    Several small builders are rescuing 100+ year-old pine and other lumber from 'urban renewal projects' and making guitar bodies and necks out of it. As an example, Bill Kirchen has a guitar made from pine taken from a NYC loft once occupied by director Jim Jarmusch. He loves the thing:

     
  13. JUSS10

    JUSS10 Tele-Meister

    Posts:
    127
    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2014
    Location:
    West Michigan
    wow thats pretty cool. Makes it sound like the its a one piece pine neck, fretboard and all. thats a bit crazy! hmm...
     
  14. Peegoo

    Peegoo Friend of Leo's

    Posts:
    4,319
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2019
    Location:
    Panhandle of Wyoming
    If I recall, it also has no truss rod.

    I have a few guitars with one-piece necks. When you build a neck like this, you usually rout from the back and install the truss rod that way, rather than bury it under the fretboard. Hence the "skunk stripe" (walnut filler strip) you see on the back of many guitar necks.
     
  15. Freeman Keller

    Freeman Keller Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    75
    Posts:
    4,228
    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2018
    Location:
    Washington
    Not familiar with "heart" pine but in my humble experience you can make an electric guitar body out of almost any wood in the world. I have built four barncasters out of hundred year old Ponderosa pine from a historic old barn. I'm currently building a classical guitar out of old Douglas fir flooring from a school gymnasium. For necks I'm pretty conservative and like to use more traditional woods (generally mahogany) but the nice thing about making a tele is if the neck doesn't work out just screw something else on.
     
    Mr. Neutron and crazydave911 like this.
  16. guitarbuilder

    guitarbuilder Telefied Ad Free Member

    Posts:
    22,152
    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2003
    Location:
    Ontario County
    [/QUOTE]Heart pine really no longer exists as a "new" wood. Its a long leaf pine that was denser and stronger than most pine sold today. Classic case of over forestation, heart pine nearly went extinct. Thats why I would consider it a historical wood but I guess thats a term that can be pretty vague. Point is you can't really run down to your local lumber mill and get this wood new today. Any "new" heart pine is generally old flooring or old construction lumber that has been re planed and cleaned up for new use.[/QUOTE]


    I see.... that makes sense then. Well, as the guy that made the first barncaster out of old stinky barn wood around this forum, and used about a good portion of the domestic US woods for various guitar components, I guess it's up to you to decide what you want to do with it. If it's important to you to make a guitar out of it, then you should make a body. I've made pine necks too, but not out of heart pine.

    Barncaster 1 on the left with two ye olde nail holes. The other two are Arlo West's OL Piney and Son of Ol Piney. They were made from trees helicoptered off of a Catskill Mountain.



    barncaster 1.png

    The rest of the stinky barnwood plank that was usable.

    barncaster 2.png


    Pine-o-rama Challenge guitar. It was a challenge guitar build with a pine body, pine neck, pine pickguard, and pine pickup bobbin.

    pine body.jpg

    Quartersawn Eastern White pine neck

    pine neck.jpg
     
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2020
  17. JUSS10

    JUSS10 Tele-Meister

    Posts:
    127
    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2014
    Location:
    West Michigan
    Good to see it’s been done. I have 3 more neck blanks glued up so I think I’ll try another neck on the CNC. I’ll use a climb cut and compression bit this time. Hopefully that will help keep the splinters down.
     
    El Tele Lobo and crazydave911 like this.
  18. a.francis.1968

    a.francis.1968 Tele-Meister

    Posts:
    157
    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2013
    Location:
    sussex
    And old rare wood has an ever increasing value.
     
    crazydave911 likes this.
  19. Mr_Q

    Mr_Q Tele-Meister

    Posts:
    356
    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2018
    Location:
    Iowa
    Wait, give me a minute to process that information...huh.
    Today I learned.

    :twisted::lol:
     
    coreytree, awasson and El Tele Lobo like this.
  20. crazydave911

    crazydave911 Poster Extraordinaire

    Age:
    61
    Posts:
    9,656
    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2010
    Location:
    East Tennessee
    In my early days I made necks and even fretboards of douglas fir, don't matter as long as the grain is correct and the wood is stiff :), have at it! :cool:
     
    Mr. Neutron, awasson and El Tele Lobo like this.
IMPORTANT: Treat everyone here with respect, no matter how difficult!
No sex, drug, political, religion or hate discussion permitted here.