Guitars that stay on line too long

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  1. Tele Plucker

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    So, here’s something I’ve wondered about for some time. I visit certain guitar store’s on line sites on a daily basis just to see if anything pops for me.

    Question is, if an instrument doesn’t sell after being on a site for months on end, does that have any effect or perception that this instrument should be avoided? Or perhaps overpriced? ??????

    I’m guessing that many of you folks know what I’m wondering.

    Hope you are all able to be safe out there.
     
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    Either it is not saleable at the price, or it's so unusual it hasn't found the right buyer.
     
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  3. Middleman

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    Depends on the guitar model but overpriced is probably the main reason. Go look up the same guitar on ebay or reverb.com and see what they are selling for. The difference is how much you lose.
     
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    Overpriced has been my experience...and not taking offers.
     
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    If it's brand new and on a retail website, manufacturers often do not allow discounting.

    If you insist on buying new and paying retail, then you should be aware of buying so-called "new" items which have been previously purchased and returned under very generous returns policies, then re-sealed and re-sold as new.

    Are you a buyer? Then everything is always over-priced. Magically the point of view changes when trying to sell that impulse buy from six months ago.
     
  6. Tele Plucker

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    Ok, let me try this example without mentioning the shop. A 1972 Martin OO-18 listed for $2,150. It was listed 7 months ago and appears to be in excellent condition.

    In a very high traffic area of the country. That seems off to me.
     
  7. 24 track

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    with the amount of fraudulently copied guitars I want to see it , smell it, taste it before I buy , I dont care if its a copy , I want to know its a copy at the same time some one selling a copy for the same coins as the original really pisses me off , a player may be any guitar that intonates and has all of the bugs and veriables worked out, but dont sell me a yamahucki#3 with the Yamahucki crossed off in crayon on the headstock and gibson on a removable sticker over top telling me it valuable.

    before you buy on line see it play it and listen to it plus inspect it , it may be the best deal ever! I found my 78' ricky 4001 southpaw tuxedo in a pawn shop it came with the original case , docs, and warrentee card , sat there for many months, but i played it first.

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    It depends on the store, guitar, demand, price, etc. If a high demand guitar is on for a while at a seemingly good price, I'd wonder what I may not be seeing.

    For others, though, there may be less of a market for them or not what a lot of people are looking for. For instance, I think my 2008 PRS Mira was on GC's used site for a while. In that case, GC's sparse descriptions, poor photos, the Mira's not being what many think of when considering a PRS, and the model's later becoming a lower-priced and appointed S2 version, probably had most ignoring it. I'm glad I didn't.
     
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    My uneducated guess is that 70s guitars don't appear to be in as high demand as 60s and earlier, and maybe even later. Also I don't see many people with 00 sized acoustics, which may be holding it back. And this Reverb price guide puts the value between $1,500 and $2,000.

    Or, others could be seeing something you're not. For instance, a few days ago (on a guitar-brand-specific forum) I saw a discussion of some used guitars at apparently good prices, then someone spotted would could be a crack at the headstock. I would never had noticed it in the photo.
     
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    when this is irl at a store you go to often, it's a good toehold to start haggling.

    i once bought what was supposed to be a $799 mexican jaguar for $700 cash, no sales tax.

    "c'mon. this has been on the wall for at least three years, probably longer, it's dented from being handled by customers, and the strings are rusty".

    it's currently the instrument i play the most.
     
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    I know what you mean.

    There’s a great guitar I’ve seen on line For ages and it’s a little undervalued now the lice has come down.

    I want it every time I see it but applying logic it’s just too similar to something I already have. I don’t know why it hasn’t sold. Maybe a bit of an specialist taste.
     
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    Speaking from experience, at least one Ebay seller had a nice looking Gibson acoustic hanging on their wall for about a year. It was nothing special as far as sound, but the big deal was that the electronics didn't work.
    They put it on Ebay as USED, I presume so there would be no warranty claim possible and never mentioned the faulty electronics.

    I bought it and never even plugged it in until after I couldn't see it might history anymore.
     
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    Some thing just don't sell without somebody actually being motivated to sell them. If you want something to sell, you clean it up, and put it in the front, or the spot that gets the most foot traffic.
    Some guitars are just left in the corner, and nobody really pays attention to them. A retailer needs to cycle products around, very much like grocery stores do, they build displays and it screams "Look here! Buy this!".
     
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    There's some dude on my local CL who has a '60s Gibson EB-0 bass that doesn't have the correct hardware, has an extra pickup rout, and a repaired snapped headstock. I'd actually consider it as a fun project if it were a couple hundred less, but he's got $500 firm on the post. I've been watching it for like a year now - no budging on price, updated every few days. Funny thing is that with all the reposting I'm sure he's spent many hours keeping it going. Guess his time isn't worth much. Also the opportunity cost - $300 in your hand now may be worth more than $500 in the distant future.
     
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    It's a lot of things. Higher end guitars can take forever to sell. Especially really clean ones because there are less clean ones cheaper. The right person eventually comes along and it's exactly what he wants.
    Lower end may just be plain too abundant or priced too high.
     
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    I've had my eye on one for three years. They look at comparables and ignore some obvious things. Make an offer. I will, but it will be so low as to offend a personal seller. They've drooped the price by 13% every few months just to entice, so I'm waiting to see if they're willing to drop the price beyond tax and shipping -- which would be a real admission that they're willing to negotiate its true value.
     
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    How does this thread belong in the technical section? Do we need a marketing forum? Oh wait, Bad Dog.
     
  18. Tele Plucker

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    Were would be the appropriate forum destination for this...I’m all eyes.
     
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    I do this daily and I get what you're saying(three or four stores actually). And some of these retailers will drop price after too long. Assuming you're talking local retailers:

    Insofar as perception I suspend that judgement for a few reasons:

    1) I live in a city where folks blow through Dean Razorbacks and Line 6 amps like toilet paper, rarely do I find that great gear is actually appreciated around here. The rest is all cover band types that just want a Strat and a Deluxe Reverb with a multi-effect unit. Our craigslist is pretty much a wasteland IMHO. That's not to say great gear or deals don't come along, they're just fewer and further between. Another great indicator is the types of touring acts that get booked in a respective city as well. My two favorite belwethers for judging a locale: What bands typically make it a tour stop, what the local craigslist musical instruments section looks like, HA!

    2) Depends on the retailer in question. My local MGR is where I usually shop, and the manager is an old friend. It should be noted he's not really able to give me "deals". But he does price stuff really fairly. If there's something amiss about the gear, he's transparent about it, and prices it accordingly. Eg; if it's a bit of a stinker for some reason, he prices it cheap to move quickly.

    Case in point - they've had one of the newer Guild S200's in there, priced fairly, and it hasn't moved in what seems like almost a year. They put it on clearance, it sold, then got returned. I've played it. It's a great guitar for the price. It's quirky sure, but to me that's part of it's charm. It's like an SG meets a Firebird wearing a plaid blazer and a goofy feather hat. But I can only imagine A) Of course the metal guys are scoffing at it. B) I dunno what cover band player would want that, C) The indie rockers might be open to it's quirk but that would be outside the rules of conformist-nonconformity which is literally to play Fender Offsets and Fender Offsets only.

    Eg; the short story is the market. Or wether or not it's perceivably a crappy one. To me anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    Like any business I'd assume time is money, y'know? I guess it all depends on levels of desperation. I see loads of these on my local CL -- there's people that've been posting the same milquetoast crap for over a year with zero price fluctuation. Heck one of them is trying to sell Fender case candy and leather straps for like $100-200 a piece. Dunlop Hendrix wah that's $75 everywhere else, this guy thinks it's worth $200+. Then there's a pawn shop that reposts new ads for the same crap gear DAILY. Crate combo, Fender acousticsonic, Squier Jazz bass, not even that well priced. It's like spam you've gotta wade through.
     
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