Guitars that have actually improved on a les paul

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  1. dogmeat

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    another USA Hamer vote
     
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    Light solid guitar with hard nut and very heavy bridge solves the sustain issue no problem. I've never been able to tell a sustain difference between a 7 1/2 pound les paul copy and an 11 pounds artillery shell density les paul.
     
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    I'd bet their sales would drop - and they'd have to change tooling/methods a little bit. 90% of the people I talk to want something as close to a '59 paul as they can get without having to pay for a '59 paul.

    The other ten percent seem to say something like "R4" or something with P90s.
     
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    I've never liked Les Pauls. Too heavy, mushy humbuckers, bad ergonomics, short scale. Just never been able to bond with one. So any two p90 guitar with a 25.5 scale would be an improvement. As long as it didn't have goofy birds on the fretboard. I love the look fo the Yamaha revstars.

    I'd redesign the neck/headstock so it was stronger that a teacup


    I'm going back to my various teles now
     
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    What is that? Carved top?
     
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    Like this then ? Thinner, lighter, belly cut, fat wide neck, well intonated wraparound, nice smooth neck heel and good upper fret access through the cutaway deep bevel. All I ever wanted from a LP shaped guitar.

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    I hope the OP is going to allow PRS to be considered after all... I went looking for a Les Paul at a reasonable price a few years ago, expecting to buy an Epiphone. Instead as soon as I’d played a PRS SE the Epiphones were out of the running, and it was just a question of which SE: I ended up with an SE245, but it could have been a Bernie Marsden or a Zach Meyers (but I just don’t like the vintage-style tuners on those). They are great guitars for the money, with comfortable necks, great build quality, and (IMHO) excellent pickups, very clear with good bite at the bridge and great mellow LP-ish tones at the neck. At that price point I think the PRS SE range blows away either Epiphone or Gibson.
    A year or so later I played an original (core - not the current S2) PRS Mira. That I think is the greatest 2-humbucker guitar I have ever played (& the pickups sound good coil-split too). Arguably style-wise it’s closer to an SG or LP Junior (double cutaway, slab body with simple carve) but I’d buy one of those long before I’d buy a Les Paul.
     
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    IMG_0571.jpeg IMG_0572(1).jpeg Yamaha AES620HB (2005)





    Just purchased, in the mail. I will be installing a set of SD Seth Lover pickups I already have. (The Creamery pickups pictured were not included.)
    7 1/2 pounds.
    Maple cap over mahogany.
    It solves the problems of weight and price.
    No idea if it will sound like an LP since it has a semi-hollow body, but I expect it will sound very nice.
    I'll follow up with more when I actually receive the guitar and get my pickups installed.

    Mark
     
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    If you mean a guitar I’d use in place of anywhere I’d use a LP, I’d say my ES-347. Sort of a 335 with a maple neck, ebony fretboard, brass bridge inserts. More punch and sustain than a 335.
     
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    why sure I'll step on that landmine...

    honestly, there just isn't much room for improvement on a lp imo, other than the details.
    so far I've heard four improvments: 1. neck heel. 2. had this same idea myself - body adjust - good call. 3. weight relief (I think gibson nailed it here) 4. upper access.

    The electronics (imo) might be another possibility. I like versatility, but not at the cost of simplicity. PRS came close w inside vs outside coils and two fwd wound pickups. Do they do a version w a rotary AND toggle? I've built my own wireup like this and will be implementing that on a guitar this weekend.
     
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    For a self builder, I think a neck through is probably the best way to avoid the heel issue. The ibanez musician I had was probably the most wonderful feeling guitar that I've ever played (and I finally got one this year, after over 20 years without).

    Not a great thing for production, I guess - compared to a well tooled operation making a separate body and neck (not to mention the need for a blank big enough to go all the way through the body.

    I do like the artist (you guys talking about versatility), because of the toggles and the better access. The toggles are ultimately a little bit of a novelty, though (separate toggles that allow parallel, series or coil splitting for each pickup) - nice to have, but I prefer the HB sound and there's always a telecaster to pick up that makes better single coil sounds.

    Yes on the SE as mentioned above. I have a 235 korina singlecut SE. I had a 245 until a trip to the post office yesterday. For whatever reason, the korina has the neck of a trimmer guitar, and the 245 has a neck that's wider than it needs to be. I don't know if that's on purpose, but I don't think the profile befits a guitar that was made as well as it's made.

    I have some curiosity about the S2s and other lower cost US production guitars, but not enough to buy one at this point - I need to scale back.
     
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    The Carvin DC150 of the late ‘70s took a crack at improving on the LP, this one’s from 1980.

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    Not everyone is going to like every guitar. I like Les Pauls so improving on it is hard for me. A version of the Les Paul that gives you some different options/improvements is the Axcess.

     
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    I bought this model Washburn from this guy. His shop was near where I worked.

    I have a LP Standard AAA Quilted top and the WI580. The 580 is very very close if not better.
     
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    A guitar that could stand in for a LP ?

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    Yamaha SG.
    Although the Revstar mentioned earlier could be the modern equivalent ?
     
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    I'm with you. I've got a few, and while they may have a flawed design it's still a design that has been copied forever. That's got to mean something.

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    Here are a few of my Gordon Smiths, as you can see from the small cover between neck pickup and fingerboard, they all have truss rod adjustment at the body end of the neck. What you cannot see from this picture is that despite this feature the SG2 has a headstock repair. The G60 Graduate Slimline (centre) also has a "gut-away" comfort profile on the rear of the body, much like a Strat, and all guitars have coil-taps.

    They do hold "stock" guitars but much of their guitar production is hand made to buyers own specifications here in the UK, and will cost between £800 and £1500 depending on what you want. Which is less than comparable production line Gibsons, and a fraction of the cost of custom shop models.
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    They are available in a choice of body thicknesses, My G60 Graduate Slimline (above) and GS1 (below) are both significantly lighter than any Les Paul or Junior I have played.

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    They have a strong following in the UK, especially amongst punk bands. The recently departed Pete Shelley of the Buzzcocks was a big fan. The pictures below show him plpaying a range of models over four decades;

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    A couple of years ago John and Linda Smith retired (Linda hand wound all the pickups), and Auden Guitars took over the brand. Auden have continued to build great playing and sounding guitars, however, the standard of finish has risen noticeably.
     
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    Maybe doesn't beat a Les Paul in all respects, but it does have these features that are improvements in my book:
    5-piece maple & walnut (much more stable than mahogany) neck, through the body
    1 3/4" nut
    Contoured heel
     
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