Guitarists you love that the internet seems to HATE?

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  1. MatsEriksson

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    Yes, of course, but I think the hate occurs mostly with people that used to like them, when the changes and hatred comes. Hate is a too strong word for me. I'd rather use the word "stopped liking" or just "dislike". It's like this with all guitarists I know of:

    They change during their careers. Playing style, music, songs, production.

    They mostly get the flak when they are not sticking to their earlier guns, but try to adapt to record companies execs, to have it more modern, up to date, and whatever style is in vouge at the moment. You had Neil Young doing that "synth" album Trans, and so on. By and large it is when any artist that has the label "catch them/him before they become big" and you turn big something happens. The rebellious, cult, underground thing starts to get air under its wings, and then - Metallicas black album prime example - decides to go big, and do what record companies tells them to do to get an even larger audience, is were the culprit lies. Same with guitarists even instrumental level. You know there's many "I like his first and earliest albums" and then doesn't care. I am the same. It's when they "sell out" or going a tiny bit too commercial that the flak starts to hit.

    Of course, some like Buckethead, Frank Zappa are/were "forever" avant garde, but by and large, that's what I detect the most. Clapton is by far the most visible one that divides up people in two camps. There are not too many I know of who likes his Cream/Yardbirds output equally as much as his latter day output. The "mainstream" I think is what riles people up.

    By and large, my academic assesment for guitar players, are of an instrumental kind, and very few ordinary non musician people cares for that. I can have objections to any artist, guitarist, that tend to not move forward in any way with their playing or music. No growth, development, no creativity, no variation. Which is often hampered by audience, record company execs*, not wanting them to change their style or playing too much, and just delivering their goods, as they are used to hear. Don't rock the boat.

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    Glenn Buxton
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    Yeah, I personally don’t like Roy’s tone as it’s just too harsh to my ear. But I will never criticize his greatness. And yet I revere everything Gatton despite his BRIGHT tone that reminds me of Roy.
    In the end it is about the individual emotional experience of the listener, and I think it obnoxious of me to “hate” any guitarist for their style.
     
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    A bit of Brian May being anything but Queen, he does get a solo around the 8:40 mark

     
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    That's what I've been thinking while I read this. After the Yardbirds Clapton went into the textbook-blues Bluesbreakers but when he came out with Cream he was doing something nobody before him had done. Same with Santana -- nobody had tried to do the Latin guitar the way he did. I heard his start with blues, then he went to Latin and then started experimenting with world music and African beats. Who else is trying to do what he does? Los Lobos come closest.
     
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    Robert Cray is outstanding.
     
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    Yeah but none who was doing quite what he did.
     
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    One of the great SNL moments of their early years is Paul Simon and George Harrison playing acoustic together.
     
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    I was in a band once where the drummer tried to turn me into Pete Townshend. That band didn't last long either. I wasn't even playing lead then.
     
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    I can't understand the love for "Keef" and SRV. The former is a hack, & the latter sounds like every kid wanking away in Guitar Center after school.
    Another one I couldn't understand the love for was BB King. Booooring.
     
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    Blues for Salvador woke me up. I couldn't believe he had so much trouble selling that.
     
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    I went to a concert once in 1970 where Steve Miller followed Albert King. Bad pairing -- then a guy jumped up on stage and started playing harp with the band. Stage security tried to kick him out but Miller made them stop, then the guy pulled his pants down on stage -- it was bad enough already after King got everyone juiced, but that kind of killed Miller's part of the show.
     
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    I wish he could write lyrics though.
     
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    No offense here, and maybe it’s that Yngwie has English as a second language issues, only understands the word “more” in a math context, or maybe he’s just a moron, but here’s some ways the less can indeed be more:
    Less can be more tasteful.
    Less can be more appropriate for the context of a song.
    Less can be more interesting.
    Less can be more anticipatory, more surprising, more evolved, more considered or patient.
    Less can be more subtle, more interactive, more emotional, more humble, more eloquent, and all in all more of the spirit of ensemble playing. Maybe these are all the reasons Yngwie doesn’t play this way...
     
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    Oh yes I forgot “more unique”!
     
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    Speaking of swing, someone I never see on these posts is Gatemouth Brown. I have spent a lot of time listening to his work and will spend some more too.
     
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    Bonamassa... I don't "love" Bonamassa's guitar playing, but I have some of his albums I listen to. I get why some people wouldn't like him... it's all subjective anyway... but there seems to be an out-of-scale amount of vitriol directed at him. He is a lavishly self-promoting, overmerchandised 'ho....but that only works for him because he is good enough and has enough appeal to market himself thusly, shameless though it is.
     
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    I haven't been aware of hatred for any of the players mentioned so far (well, Santana to some degree).
    The only guitarist I'm aware of that seems to be universally hated is Kirk Hammett, and as I haven't seen him mentioned in this thread perhaps everybody actually does hate him.

    I don't have any feelings either way as I don't listen to Metallica.

    All drummers seem to hate Lars Ulrich so Metallica must be one of the worst bands of all time :D
     
  19. MatsEriksson

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    The difference is that Lars Ulrich used to nail it, but has declined and lost focus, detoriated pretty fast. He doesn't really care anymore, he is the BL you can't sack him. I don't know about the hatred for Kirk Hammett. I've heard worse than him, way worse.
     
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    Correction: It was actually "Dark Eye Tango" from Al's "Casino" album I meant. Now, put it on, and if someone didn't tell you it was Al Di Meola? If you snuck that one onto a "mix tape" of Carlos music you wouldn't notice it.

    https://open.spotify.com/track/2dhUHZRP0Wh84fm7jZy7bO?si=9df3a9eadddf4365
     
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