Gotoh replacement tuners for JV Modified 60's Custom?

rdonahue

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Does anyone know if this Gotoh Vintage-style Oval Knob 6-In-Line Tuners are a drop-in replacmement for the locking tuners found on the JV Modified 60's Custom telecaster? I'm sure the current ones are common but I'm not familair with them. They look like the top down vintage blackguard style but these look to load from the side of the tuner and then lock in to place.
 

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Some gotoh’s need wider tuner peg holes. And make sure the tuning posts are tall enough.

If in doubt, just get Klusons or Fender replacement ones
 

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Fender use 2 vintage tuner manufacturers, Gotoh and Ping. As a general rule Gotoh are fitted to US and Japan vintage instruments and Ping to Mexican.

The Gotoh tuner bushings are 8.8mm and Ping 9.2mm so Gotoh bushings are too small for headstocks drilled for Ping tuners.

It's not guaranteed but JVs will almost certainly have Gotoh locking tuners. If you have the guitar in question, remove one of the existing tuners and if you see JAPAN stamped on the back they are Gotoh. Ping have a PW stamp (Ping Well)

Another minor wrinkle is the Gotoh locking tuner posts are 6mm and the standard Gotoh SD91 tuners are 1/4" (6.35mm) so you will have to swap the bushings.

Standardization does not exist in the crazy Fender world.

There's more information about the Gotoh tuners on the website
 

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Load from the side? What do you mean? They look just like vintage tuners. You put the string in the hole in the middle, lay it in the slot, and tighten.

And it has bushing info listed on that page. Those require 8.xx mm holes and are a DIRECT RETROFIT for Kluson-style tuners on Fenders

If you need conversion bushing to fit these to a headstock drilled with 3/8"(10mm) holes for Ping tuners, they have those also. They're listed on the page linked in the 1st post, also.

All the info needed to know whether these will work is listed on the page the OP linked



Includes mounting screws and round press-fit peghead bushings. Peghole spacing is 4-11/16" (119.06mm). 11/32" (8.73mm)-diameter pegholes required.

Also available: Special conversion bushings for installing tuning machines into 3/8" or 10mm pegholes, without redrilling.

6-in-line locking tuners, which are the perfect upgrade for old or new Fenders with "Kluson-style" tuners — they're a direct retrofit!
 
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Fender use 2 vintage tuner manufacturers, Gotoh and Ping. As a general rule Gotoh are fitted to US and Japan vintage instruments and Ping to Mexican.

The Gotoh tuner bushings are 8.8mm and Ping 9.2mm so Gotoh bushings are too small for headstocks drilled for Ping tuners.

It's not guaranteed but JVs will almost certainly have Gotoh locking tuners. If you have the guitar in question, remove one of the existing tuners and if you see JAPAN stamped on the back they are Gotoh. Ping have a PW stamp (Ping Well)

Another minor wrinkle is the Gotoh locking tuner posts are 6mm and the standard Gotoh SD91 tuners are 1/4" (6.35mm) so you will have to swap the bushings.

Standardization does not exist in the crazy Fender world.

There's more information about the Gotoh tuners on the website

They have plenty of standardization. Even with their tuners. Imports get the Pings while American made guitars get Gotohs.

There's the standard. Either you get 10mm, screw-style bushings or you get the smaller, vintage press-in style. Seems pretty standardized to me. It's that simple because the industry has standardized those sizes. Using 2 of them ≠ no standardization. Especially when they're on different lines of product that, are sold at different price levels.

If fender was using 6 different tuners and they all had different peg head hole sizes, then you could make that claim that they aren't standardized. But that's not the case. It's nothing even close to that, and it's because there's industry standards already.
 

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Load from the side? What do you mean? They look just like vintage tuners. You put the string in the hole in the middle, lay it in the slot, and tighten.

Look closely at Fender's picture of the headstock and you'll see they have a 'slot' in the end of the shaft, but no though hole down the center of the shaft.

The JV has what Fender describes as "vintage locking" tuners, so those will be the Gotoh lockers that are side load. IMO they're an infuriating PITA to unstring. I pulled them out of my CV50s Strat and replaced them with a Fender-branded vintage split shaft set. At the time I just assumed it was a Ping set, but most likely it was Gotoh.

@rdonahue you'll need to pull a tuner and measure the diameters of the shaft and the hole in the neck.
 

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Oh dear, wound up seems to be.
10mm doesn't enter the equation regarding vintage tuners except for the ClassicGear tuners used on Am Performers.

There are two vintage headstock drillings used by Fender for bushings measuring 8.8mm and 9.2mm (9.15mm). Guitars with Gotoh tuners have 8.8mm and guitars with Ping tuners have 9.15mm.

The Gotoh lockers are designated SD91MG (Magnum Lock) and are side entry, the end slot is for a screwdriver or coin.
Gotoh_SD91_MG-05m_lock.jpg


Gotoh SD91 Dimensions. The bushing is 8.8mm

Gotoh_SD91_full_dwg.jpg


Post types, Standard, Locking, Height Adjustable and Height Adjustable Locking.

Gotoh_SD91_Posts02.jpg




Ping Vintage, The bushing is 9.15mm
Ping_Vintage_Tuners_composite_dwg.jpg
 




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