Got sacked

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Dan R, Sep 14, 2021.

  1. Texas_tele2015

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    Wow, very sorry to hear that. I see that happening a lot these days, companies that have had to lay off huge parts of their workforce during the pandemic and bring back only a few that have the experience and have ben with the company awhile, which usually are the older individuals who are nearing that age to draw retirement. Unfortunately they aren't willing to work with them to accommodate the SS requirements and maintain a skilled worker so would rather just take the loss and hire an inexperienced younger person who they figure can be groomed into an effective employee with time. That and hiring friends and family of persons in upper management positions to ensure a certain extent of loyalty are both ridiculous and a blatant conflict of interest in some cases. Most times it causes more problems on the ground floor. Loyalty to a company used to mean something in the workforce but its a new world nowadays and not for the better. Best of luck in your future endeavors.
     
  2. PCollen

    PCollen Friend of Leo's

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    I had my fill of sole proprietorships before I graduated high school. Family will always come first, and they can do what they want with no recourse or reason.
     
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    They really did eliminate my position, but they didn’t want to move me to another position for which I was well qualified due to cost. I was too clueless to realize that several others had been culled from the herd using the same method. A co-worker described it as a “layoff of one” each time it occurred.
     
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  4. 57joonya

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    Haha . I worked with a guy in construction, that was his go to move
     
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  5. Fiesta Red

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    My condolences on the unfair situation.
    My congratulations on getting out of there.

    The best-paying job I ever had in my life was also the worst job I’d ever had. The organization (a group of private psychiatric hospitals) was poorly run and was (ironically) highly dysfunctional. My position was Director of Environment of Care and Safety Officer.
    None of my predecessors lasted more than 8 months—I lasted over two years.

    Then my fifth (yes, FIFTH) supervisor/CEO expected everyone to kowtow to him and constantly fawn over his Great Leadership and Intelligence.

    Because I wouldn’t kiss butt, cut corners or “play ball,” CEO decided that I wasn’t right for the job. He and his COO lackey gave me increasingly Herculean tasks with ridiculous time limitations; they wanted me to fail so they could fire me. I completed every single task, with time to spare.

    They instructed one of my counterparts to give a list of issues (all of which were on my “Red List” and were in the queue to be completed) to the Joint Commission (regulators of hospitals), so we would get “dinged” and they could this fire me.
    I showed the regulators how I’d either mitigated or corrected the issues—or how they were in queue (purchase orders or bids from contractors) to be completed—and they gave me a passing grade…nursing, which was the larger issue, completely failed the inspection, as did the practitioners (doctors) themselves…their billing practices were questioned as well (by other state and federal regulators).

    Instead of adjusting his expectations and appreciating that I was doing my job, the CEO tried to pick an actual physical fight with me—literally…I just smiled and asked if he had anything else he needed me to do.

    I thought he was going to have an aneurysm—he started screaming, even spitting as he was yelling at me, jabbing his finger closer and closer to my face…I leaned forward (power move) and I asked him again what tasks he needed completed that day.

    He retreated, paled, sputtered and screamed at me to get out of his office.
    He also avoided me like the plague from that time forward. I think it scared him that I remained calm.

    Two weeks later, they called me into the HR office and his lackey COO told me, “Umm…we’re eliminating your position, and…”
    I interrupted her, “Great! Two questions—do I get my banked PTO—and the answer better be yes—and where do I sign?”
    COO: “Umm, don’t you want to ask anything else…?”
    ME: “Nope, and you need to answer my questions NOW.”
    She visibly shrank in her seat; the HR manager told me I would receive my banked PTO and to sign here.

    I had cleaned out my office two weeks prior (after the CEO’s screaming match). I dropped my keys and badge on her desk and asked to be escorted to my office so I could get my backpack and jacket.

    The COO again tried to engage me in conversation again; I just glowered at her for a moment and turned on my heel to go get my stuff.

    They split up all my duties and had to hire three people to replace me.
    One of my immediate successors lasted less than 8 hours (no joke—she walked off the job).
    Her successor lasted two months.

    Shortly thereafter, the issues with the doctors, nursing and billing all caught up with them; they’re under indictment for medical malpractice and federal, state, county and civic billing fraud. Several doctors were arrested. The business has been dissolved and close to 1000 people lost their jobs.

    I got out of the medical field and I’m now working for the safety department for a construction company…less money, but I have about 1/100th of the stress I had before.
     
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  6. 57joonya

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    That’s crazy- was James p mcmurphy a patient at that hospital?
     
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    R p mcmurphy....
     
  8. stepvan

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    Company loyalty has proven to be a waste of time to me too, been at this place I work for 10yrs, next in line to move up from fleet supervisor to Maintenance mgr of the plant, worked hard to get that position and they gave it to someone who has been here a short time not involved with the day to day of the place. ...loyalty is a waste of time
     
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    OP was there for two years. Unless he's senior management, it's unlikely that there is any release, severance or compensation. A good labor lawyer is going to be minimum a couple hundred dollars an hour. But it's his money, if he wants to roll the dice, it's his business.
     
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    Due to HIPAA laws, I can’t answer…but since he’s a fictional character, I’ll say, “No.” :p
     
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    Yea, and there's this thing called reality. And lawyers kinda like getting paid. And it's kinda waste of money given the facts conveyed. I've kinda got experience having been in the work force for over 50 years..
     
  12. getbent

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    how many times over those 50 years have YOU engaged an attorney in a labor situation like this?
     
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    These kind of things can be business or personal. In both my cases, it was personal, not business.
     
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    FWIW, the problem with job loss goes beyond the paycheck. Many of us define who we are by what we do for a living. I'm a musician. I'm a teacher. I'm an engineer. I'm a fireman. The higher up the career ladder, the more we let our work define who we are. Job loss can be devastating to the psyche for people like that. Folks at the lower end of the pay scale move from job to job without giving it much thought as long as work is available. Lateral moves are easier where no particular skills are required. Losing a job near the end of your working life can be crushing. When you look for a new job, you'll often be offered less than you were making and while age discrimination is illegal, there are countless reasons for a potential employer to say no. The OP is in a tough place. I don't envy him. Threads like this one remind me how fortunate I was to be able to retire at 70 after 35 years with the same employer, at the top of my chosen field with a nice thank you check and pension, not a boot print on my butt.
     
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    You are eligible for unemployment benefits. There is no record of poor performance and you being fired because of it.
     
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    Being fired with a lie to go along with it leaves a bitter taste in ones mouth. It’s been a long time but I still remember my disbelief and anger, with a bit of humiliation to mess things up further.

    Try to wash that bitter taste out and move on. I agree with others that better things almost certainly lie ahead of you.
     
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    A lot of jerks out there, sorry you got crunched by one:confused:
    Hopefully you have saved for retirement; find a place to ride out a couple of years~
    then get out of the race;)
     
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    My earlier post about suing was just a thought, or dream, but opportunity calls now! Start your own window business and make them compete with you.
     
  19. imwjl

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    This seems to have moved beyond the well wishing.

    I've only engaged an attorney once where the mess was about being owed both wages and expense compensation, and at a point where the whole mess moved on and into a bankruptcy. A true mess where a qualified professional was very much appropriate.

    Beyond that, business ownership, leadership positions, and how often IT is involved in business matters adds up to countless incidents where the clear winners with contested employment scenarios are only the attorneys - rarely anyone else. My suggestion is always work to get rid of emotions and feelings of spite, read the laws after a cup of coffee, and proceed as simply as possible.

    Being a contemporary of the OP, I'd mostly concentrate on yes or no to early retirement and if not concentrate on an overall good job market. Also look at different stuff. A whole lot of people can be in alright enough jobs to keep getting insurance and some wages before age 65.
     
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    Won’t someone think of the mature white males? :(
     
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