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Discussion in 'Other T-Types and Partscasters' started by DrPepper, Nov 3, 2020.

  1. Mr. Lumbergh

    Mr. Lumbergh Poster Extraordinaire

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    Yes, the body vibrates, but how does adding a small bit of brass to the back significantly alter tone, especially one that is embedded in wood?
     
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    Mexitele Blues Tele-Afflicted

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    My strap is too short for that.
     
  3. Mr. Lumbergh

    Mr. Lumbergh Poster Extraordinaire

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    Did you put new strings on after install?
     
  4. Chiogtr4x

    Chiogtr4x Poster Extraordinaire

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    You just can't tell a buddy " Hey your tone sucks!"
    You just live with it, or try a diplomatic approach
     
  5. carpenter

    carpenter Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    I have one of these 20200815_182239.jpg
     
  6. Chiogtr4x

    Chiogtr4x Poster Extraordinaire

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    This isn't my actual 2nd electric, but I had this same guitar:
    20200418_140605.jpg A 1982 Electra Phoenix, mine had brass barrel saddles and nut.
    It was a pretty good Strat copy ( tonally/ with pickups and controls), but I would not know that until years later!
     
  7. teletimetx

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    The speed of sound traveling through a transmissive medium varies in relation to density. A given vibration will travel faster through a more dense material. When a traveling wave encounters a change in density, a small reflection wave occurs, depending on the angle of incidence, and the wave is refracted at the interface between the two different densities.

    These are actually measurable effects, reducible to reliable equations.

    If we superpose a pair of simple harmonic plane waves of the same amplitude (A), wave-length (2π/κ) and speed c, travelling in opposite directions, we find that the resultant disturbance is given by:


    y = 2 A cos (κx + ε) cos (κct + ε’)


    where ε, ε’ depend on phase constants of the constituent waves. This equation corresponds to what is called a standing wave, since there is no resultant progressive wave motion.


    None of this has anything to do with trapping your string balls in a solid bar ferrule holder apparatus. However, one could infer that the foregoing statements might suggest some avenues of inquiry.

    In the end, you have to live with your choices.

    I just thought I'd throw in some actual science, even if it's irrelevant to this discussion, because it's not Friday.

    EDIT: sorry, forgot to include the attribution: "An Introduction to the Theory of Seismology", by K. E. Bullen, Cambridge University Press, 1965, 3rd edition, §3.3.4 Standing Waves
     
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  8. WalthamMoosical

    WalthamMoosical Tele-Holic Ad Free Member

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    Yeah well I wish you'd tell my buddies that.
     
  9. TwoBear

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    This is the back of my mahogany body tele that I cut myself-those are little nuts I stuck in there because I didn't have the ferrules at that time... I now have the ferrules but they sit in a bag. Elsewhere someone mentioned fat finger, and that jogged my memory I think the headstock brass additions that were actually full headstock sized were called fatheads I think.
     

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  10. fasteddie42

    fasteddie42 Tele-Afflicted

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    I think "sustain" is waaay overrated.
     
  11. TwoBear

    TwoBear Tele-Meister

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    But these go to 11
     
  12. Henley

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    Leo Fender thought it was important enough to install on his ASAT's. Leo's final word on the Telecaster sports a similar block. I dig 'em.

    All my G&L's have one...and they all out perform my stock Fender's. Unplugged you can hear the difference...and that directly transfers when plugged in.
     
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  13. TwoBear

    TwoBear Tele-Meister

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    Probably a win-win for Leo as we all know he was as frugal as I am, and from a machining standpoint it seems like a plunge and then one lateral as opposed to six up and downs with a corresponding lateral move to each?
     
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  14. bcorig

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    What avenues of inquiry do the statements suggest? I’m not certain where this applies.
    When the string is struck, is the y the vibration that travels though the transmissive medium (string) to the tuners and fretting hand in one direction and where the string balls are trapped at the body in the opposite direction?
    The two different densities, in this case would be the brass whatchamacallit and the body of the guitar? In that case the absence of the brass doohickey means epsilon’ = 0 or baseline. The presence of the brass thingamajig means epsilon’ >0 and there should be some effect on the tone.
    I guess.
     
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  15. aging_rocker

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    Excellent! If it ain't broke...;)

    Personally I prefer to keep my little nuts in their bag and the ferrules in the guitar, but obviously YMMV. I'm sure I've seen a few fatheads around here somewhere too...
     
  16. Dano-caster

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    Not sure it's worth routing out the back of your guitar to install that.There's no going back...
     
  17. ping-ping-clicka

    ping-ping-clicka Friend of Leo's Ad Free Member

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    I know, I know! but I'm not going to tell.:p
     
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  18. bcorig

    bcorig Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

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    I can’t stop laughing. Took me by surprise, I must say.
     
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    gregulator450 Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

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    The end result of all this science had better be, "Ladies want me and their guys want to be me," or I'm not buying the little brass part. That's what tone is really all about, right?
     
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  20. Henley

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    Nope...but there is going forward. :)

    I personally would not cut into a stock Tele unless it was already modded.
     
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