Goodwill find. Ole! Thoughts please. Any idea on the value?

[architele]

Here is my latest Goodwill find. Label says "J Perez Flamenco". Did not have high hopes as it was a nasty dusty mess with a string missing, but for $67.50 (asking $90 less 25% on my discount card), why not?

Took it home, scrubbed it down, replaced the strings and wow! sounds and plays really well. Super loud and balanced tone. A plus - came with what feels like a K&K pure or mini preinstalled, sounds great plugged in too. It does have some top damage and cracking, but it has been professionally repaired, and there is what looks like a nasty crack on the back, but that's actually just a surface crack. Also came with a beat-up but serviceable SK8 case.

I found this website, and this is the guitar, but no prices and little to nothing elsewhere regarding sales. http://www.perezguitars.com/flamenco/630-flamenco

As described on the website:
Solid German Spruce topSycamore back and sides
Mahogany neck
Indian Rosewood fingerboard
Nickel plated machine heads

 

[SnidelyWhiplash]

Great find. For so little, it's a steal!

 

[architele]

Great find. For so little, it's a steal!

Totally!

 

[badscrew_projects]

Doesn’t look bad honestly

 

[Freeman Keller]

Archi, I'm not very knowledgeable about flamenco guitars and their value but this looks like a reasonably decent one. Cypress and sycamore are so called "blanca" or light colored guitars. I don't see a tap plate on the top - if you plan to play true flamenco style it should be added. You can put a clear one on pretty easily. Many flamencos have friction pegs but certainly geared tuners like yours are not unheard of.

The other significant things about a true flamenco is they tend to be a little more lightly built that classicals and the action is considerably lower to facilitate the percussive style of play. There is no reason not to raise it if you would rather play in the classical style.

The back crack is rather unsightly but should be easy to cleat and stabilize. Personally I wouldn't try for any finish repairs - it may be either French polished or lacquer and you could end up making things far worse.

The website does note that the top is solid spruce and just mentions sycamore as the back and side wood. Most of the time when specs don't say "solid" specifically it isn't, that could explain why the crack hasn't gone thru the back.

Classical guitars do not usually suffer the neck angle issue that steel strings do and they are a little be funky to analyze. Classicals frequently have zero or even negative neck angles - that goes with their high action. Since a flamenco has lower action it may have a small positive angle. It really doesn't matter, you can't change it because of the Spanish heel construction but it would be worthwhile measuring.

As far as value - it probably worth several hundred of dollars but it would be hard to sell - you've got a very limited market. Whatever you decide its a great find, enjoy. Ole'

 

[Fiesta Red]

If it sounds good, feels/plays well and you’re happy, it’s a steal!

 

[Freeman Keller]

One other thing - a K&K is a great pickup for a classical/flamenco guitar but can be a little tricky to install. Some guitars don't have bridge plates, often the fan braces run thru the bridge area which doesn't leave a lot of room for the transducers. If yours has a Pure or Mini and it was professionally installed that is one more bonus.

 

[architele]

Thanks Freeman, I had no clue about this type of guitar so I appreciate your information. It's actually a really fun guitar to play. And yes the pickup was professionally done and sounds great.

One other thing - a K&K is a great pickup for a classical/flamenco guitar but can be a little tricky to install. Some guitars don't have bridge plates, often the fan braces run thru the bridge area which doesn't leave a lot of room for the transducers. If yours has a Pure or Mini and it was professionally installed that is one more bonus.

 

[ClashCityTele]

There seems to be a few P-630's in the UK.
One on eBay for £160 and on Reverb for £250.
A shop called Bax sold them but they're out of stock.
Looks like you got yourself a bargain.

 

[frank a]

SCORE!!!

 

[Freeman Keller]

Thanks Freeman, I had no clue about this type of guitar so I appreciate your information. It's actually a really fun guitar to play. And yes the pickup was professionally done and sounds great.

My two cents. Flamenco is such a unique genre that I doubt that you really want to play it. Many classical/flamenco builders say that there really isn't much difference between the two types of guitars - lower action and a tap plate turns a classical into a flamenco. I would turn it the other way, set the action more towards classical and leave the tap plate off. It looks like its got a decent set of nylon strings on it and they look to be properly tied (don't ever put steel strings of any kind on it). You say it sounds good and is loud, those are prized in a classical.

I'm a steel string player thru and thru but I find it really nice to have a nylon string guitar for a change of pace, a pallet cleanser if you will. I only play a few "classical" pieces (if you can even consider Classical Gas one LOL) but most finger style pieces work well and the wider fingerboard will give you good exercise.

You've got a lovely little sunburst steel string (maybe an older Gibbie?) - this will compliment it nicely.

 

[Telenator]

Wow! Nice score!

 

[architele]

My two cents. Flamenco is such a unique genre that I doubt that you really want to play it. Many classical/flamenco builders say that there really isn't much difference between the two types of guitars - lower action and a tap plate turns a classical into a flamenco. I would turn it the other way, set the action more towards classical and leave the tap plate off. It looks like its got a decent set of nylon strings on it and they look to be properly tied (don't ever put steel strings of any kind on it). You say it sounds good and is loud, those are prized in a classical.

I'm a steel string player thru and thru but I find it really nice to have a nylon string guitar for a change of pace, a pallet cleanser if you will. I only play a few "classical" pieces (if you can even consider Classical Gas one LOL) but most finger style pieces work well and the wider fingerboard will give you good exercise.

You've got a lovely little sunburst steel string (maybe an older Gibbie?) - this will compliment it nicely.

Yes, that's actually a Martin CEO7 and I also have a D28, both with K&K minis, as I gig occasionally and play daily. I also have a Martin 000c Nylon string guitar, so this is an extra, but as you say, a fun diversion. Also, it has nice soft action and lots of space between the strings. I'm at the age (62) where friends my age are starting to have trouble with their hands like arthritis etc, so I figure it will be a good "rehab" guitar if I run into any trouble with that.

 

[badscrew_projects]

Yes, that's actually a Martin CEO7 and I also have a D28, both with K&K minis, as I gig occasionally and play daily. I also have a Martin 000c Nylon string guitar, so this is an extra, but as you say, a fun diversion. Also, it has nice soft action and lots of space between the strings. I'm at the age (62) where friends my age are starting to have trouble with their hands like arthritis etc, so I figure it will be a good "rehab" guitar if I run into any trouble with that.

That's what Chet did, moving to nylon when he was getting older

 

[Santiago]

Hi, although classical and flamenco guitars are similar, the way they are built usually lead to significant sonic differences. Flamenco guitars tend to have far less sustain and are typically strung with higher tension strings. Because of that I would recommend stringing it with adequate strings and seeing how you like it. The guitar player in my band got himself a very good flamenco guitar and he loves it for singer-songwriterly- type songs. So it's an unusual sound that can be cool even if you don't play flamenco.

 

[gimmeatele]

Nice find and about half it's value there, around 160 to 200 euro here, so good score, well thought of guitars too

 

[zombywoof]

The only real deal I have run across at our local thrift store as of late was a Leslie speaker cabinet which I scored for $15. While it was not one of the truly sought after old ones it was still worth around $700. But this store has also figured out no matter what guitar they get in to put it up for bid in their silent auction.

But yeah, if it is a guitar you want you done good as even at the original price it appears to have been offered for something less than 1/2 what you would expect. The internet though has pretty much ended the days when assuming you knew what you were looking at (which was not always the case) you could walk into a thrift store and walk out with a treasure of a guitar on the cheap.

 

[Peegoo]

Call the cops! You stole that.

Nice guitar.