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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by DrPepper, Mar 13, 2019.
I would roll my eyes.
Every family has its thespians.
Exactly, the western diet is greed based in many aspects...what the Dairy Council gets away with
ln our public schools is criminal...
I did post that it has rapid effectiveness and is suitable as a sort of medical solution, with medical supervision.
The issues seem to come up when it’s poorly managed, and in general it seems reasonable for healthy individuals to choose a less medical diet for general good looks.
My comments about AIDS and anorexia referred to how some dieters on no carb or low carb diets sometimes end up looking.
The comparison to Adkins was in reference to another posters comments linking or comparing low carb no carb to keto.
I guess a problem is that when an obsessive comfort eater becomes an obsessive fad dieter, the diet can easily be obsession based, rather than health and medical based.
Both men and women seem to fall into the trap of misplaced body image, and when I see an obsessive dieter looking morbidly thin it hits me right in the gut.
None of this takes away from the epidemic of obesity and associated health problems.
We’re just looking at the risks associated with keto in this thread, I wasn’t saying it’s bad if used properly.
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the title is kind of 'throwing' some of us... Keto didn't almost kill Dr. Pepper... Dr. Pepper almost killed Dr. Pepper. But, it is simpler to blame a process poorly followed... than the follower. I've not seen any keto dieters who resembled AIDS patients... no Kaposi's syndrome nor the eye vacancy itinerant with late stage anorexia... but, I have seen lots of people reclaim their lives WITH a doctor's care and on keto as a permanent diet...
I think one of them plays guitar. I don'think any of them post here. Not everyone can be BDLH.
See, it's not sustainable.... Check out a whole food plant based diet/lifestyle... Basically, you eat when hungry, eat until you are full and not have to worry about counting calories...Your body will finds its optimal weight and maintain it without you having to monitor anything, win, win...
What do you mean that it's not sustainable? The only thing that stopped me from "sustaining" it was that I'm lazy and weak of will, and I met my wife who is a fantastic baker. Delicious treats lying around the house all the time calling to me was the problem, not the Paleo diet.
Eating only plants sure wouldn't be sustainable for me. In any case, Paleo is very much a "whole foods" diet with lots and lots of plants in it. There are just no bagels or carrot cake. Look up The Whole 30 to see a strict version of what I did - it's a "whole foods plant based diet" but with meat as well. And I absolutely ate when hungry, never counted calories, etc. just like you said and I dropped to an ideal weight and stayed there more or less the whole time. What I'm talking about and what you're talking about are not all that different.
Whole foods and much plant-based is in my diet but I love my treats and meats too. I’m curious to know where activity is in your recovery, and suggest that but absolutely in ways your doctor(s) suggest.
It was 10 years ago now but returning to my activities and in some cases reaching some new goals and levels was every bit as important as diet. Knowing family risk I tried heart rate monitors and hated the chest strap but love the wrist type. My current goal (obsession?) is 7 days from a year of no cheats “closing the rings” with Apple Watch. I realized I never got a tight pants waist this past winter the daily discipline has been really good for my mind.
Where I am the extended period of icy streets and sidewalks just ended so that makes well being a lot easier. Yesterday was my first bike to work day in a while. A few associates who’ve struggled with weight and well being all their lives are really happy to have spring here. Diet and bicycles have helped them keep off 40 to 100+ pounds for a long while now.
I also suggest the physical well being component because you never know what might occur. It made all the difference for my wife handling cancer and a hospital mistake. My nephew is on a team that does high risk surgeries. He says he’s not a fan of diet and exercise personally but does it because every week he truly sees the life and death difference it makes.
At our age you should consider a heart rate monitor if you take on the physical part.
Again, it’s great to hear you’re on the mend and good luck.
What Big Sugar gets away with in this country is criminal as well ( the lobbyists/corporate death merchants, not the great Canadian band)
A farmer in the 20’s would eat anything you gave him , if you went back in a time machine and started handing him junk food . It would taste great to him, he wouldn’t worry about it, and then - he’d be out the door because there was another 8 hours of work to do - after lunch.
What you eat HAS to be closely tied to your daily activity level . If you chase a mouse around all day you can’t eat nearly as much (or as bad ) as folks who are actually active all day.
Farmers were never concerned with the lack of a good gym nearby...
Personally, I’m gonna stick to my diet.
My grandfather was somewhat picky about what he ate, to an extent. He wouldn't have eaten junk food, but he'd have hammered 10 ham sandwiches on potato rolls, which is sort of junky (the potato rolls break down in us like sugar, but they weren't sugar). Where I grew up, sugar was called "empty calories" probably ever since it became common, but folks missed the boat making things out of white flour instead thinking that it wasn't unhealthy because it wasn't sugar.
He started farming at the beginning of the depression and I remember my mother telling me he wouldn't eat any deer that he shot (crop damage shooting) because, in his words, they were second rate meat. They were always wary of the sugar through, as well as alcohol. He liked junk food and pie, but they limited their intake to a couple of times per week.
They rubbed off on my mother, because we never had sugary cereals or soda (bottles of soda were bought when they were on sale and saved for holidays - they'd get a thick coat of dust on them before we could ever get them out).
Now that I've grown up, my mother has bought into that 90s gimmick of no fat (and has been eating almost pure carbs since the early 1990s), and she's 125 pounds and prediabetic, despite no history of diabetes in our family, and a habit of working out an hour a day four times a week (she's 70).
Grandfather of mine never would've lifted a finger at a gym for one simple reason - if you broke a sweat, it had better be work. If you felt like you needed to break a sweat, go find some work. "man can't clear his head without breaking a sweat" is what he always said, but they thought intentional exercise and sports were the two dumbest things ever invented, other than chess tournaments on TV.
("I'd like to get that sonofabitch on a hay wagon" was one of his quips when the bobby fisher thing was going down).
I'm not overweight, but I'm a slender 51-year old who does NOT want a fat gut. You know those skinny old guys you see with a fat gut? I don't want that. I'd rather be proportionally fat all over. I can feel when the gut's about to start expanding.
That said, I do the keto coffee thing - I put a tablespoon each of butter and coconut oil in my coffee before my workout, which holds off my appetite for about 3 hours, and I eat decent food during the day. I don't eat crap like donuts, candy, soda, etc. All of this seems to help.
The sloppiness you're talking about, we call "shopping bag full of water" or "spillover".
except for the outright bubbles that are on guys who have lost all of their testosterone due to age and have skinny arms and a little male pregnancy.
I think in 20 years, we'll all be on testosterone replacement in old age, because there doesn't seem to be any detriment to it at reasonable levels.
The attitude of your grandparents is understandable. It’s one I’ve heard a lot. We had far more people physically active just making a living or taking care of their home just 3 - 4 decades ago. Even if it was watching TV, a lot grandparents had to stand up to change the channel.
When I’m aware of people who are not obese having problems I do wonder about exercise knowing it is important whether it’s solving or helping solve a problem. When I was under care and having blood work done often I became aware of exercise having an impact on hemoglobin, LDL and the endocrine tests. Diet was changed or set before I left the hospital. Getting back to and physical activity and making it life style was step or stage 2 of watching bloodwork get to normal and life getting better. At one point in working on wellness the GI specialist pointed out that balanced diet - having the bread and sweets too - was important for the exercise that was doing so much good.
I know some diets really make the difference for some people but still feel anyone who can manage a rather normal diet and add physical activity should go that route first.
I'm kind of easing into the Keto diet. Last night we went to the Black Angus restaurant and had a Ney York steak with all the trimmings, and some mud pie!
What you say is true about farmers. When I was a kid in Alabama living on a sharecroppers farm, I honestly had never even seen a fat person until I came to California. When you work the land you work so hard you don't gain weight no matter how much you eat. Another thing, pumping iron, and running on a treadmill ain't the same as working. When I was younger and worked in potato packing sheds doing piece work, trucking five each of hundred pound sacks of spuds on a hand truck from the line to rail cars, I never had a weight problem. It was only when I got me a nice steady forty hour week, but kept my old propensity for eating that I began to gain weight.
I grew up with two scrap yards and a farm so I know a gym and sports are not really the same but they are the same or better if you measure what your body's doing or can do. The gym and club thing is so not me but a late summer shoulder injury and a particularly icy and cold winter required me to change some habits. With pant size, resting heart rate, and watching average heart rate I found barbells, running shoes and calisthenics could accomplish what I usually do with trail work and bike rides. Specific physical therapy exercises aided that shoulder recovery and the issues from a knee that no longer tracks as it should.
Without the farm and scrap yards and without loading and unloading drop deck trailers that were my life earlier I can still maintain same size pants as mid-1970s and good agility for an old guy. It's wonderful to not be subject to the toxins and other dangers.
Demographics is a big part of well being but more and more I think where you live has a big impact. My wife was obsessed with raising kids where there would be walk, bike or bus for the stuff kids do k-12. The benefits are far beyond convenience. Raising kids in a neighborhood where there's not much car commuting and going to outer ring suburbs and other areas is like looking at Colorado residents compared to other parts of the US. Long commutes should be looked at as a health problem and part of why many are in poor shape.
My grand parents and great grand parents were share croppers, what they ate was grown by them on land provided to them as payment for their labor, about the only meat my great grand parents ate were chickens they raised, fish they caught and Hoover hogs (opossum). Their diet was mainly the crops they grew. My great grandfather farmed manually until he was 80 years old and lived to 105 years old. I was a Crisco kid, and did not like vegetables.
The doctors told me to quit exercising 5 years ago due to congestive heart failure, but since switching to a whole foods, plant based lifestyle, my life has and will get better... This recent downfall in my health is due to stupidity on my part last summer (Butter made my pants fall off, I wonder what became of "butter" Bob Briggs), but thank powers that be I've made it through that.
In ten months, I will have been sugar, meat, dairy and oil free for a year and will pay out of my own pocket or a CT scan to see if I am on the right track.I am now just obese, not morbid obese. My blood sugar is now in a safe zone. My blood pressure is normal with no meds.
I have another goal which is to attend The McDougall Institute.
I will update this thread as my health improves