Girl from Ipanema

Discussion in 'Tab, Tips, Theory and Technique' started by slowpinky, Aug 28, 2013.

  1. boneyguy

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    Okay, here's something simple I was shown many years ago by a teacher that I've got tons of embarassment free mileage out of over the years.

    It's an easy grip for a dom7alt that works especially well on a V7b9 sort of situation like we have in Ipanema. Because of the 7b9's close ties with a dim structure you can slide this grip up and down like a dim chord in intervals of a m3 although at times it will include unaltered notes like the .13'.

    So in Ipanema I do this at the end of the B section Am7 | D7b9 | Gm7 | C7b9
    (I know for sure this is basic stuff for many of you)

    5x555x
    x5454x
    x3444x
    x6777x


    3x333x
    x3232x
    x1222x
    x4555x
    x8555x

    And you could keep going up in m3's until you run out of fretboard with this grip but to my ear, like dim chords it's best not to overdo it. I like the sound of it.
     
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  2. brewwagon

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  3. ByDean

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    Im really confused with fingerings for this part
     
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    Do you mean the names of the chords?

    Gm7
    C7b9
    C13b9 - (x-R-3-13-b9-x)
    C7b9 - (x-b9-5-R-3-x)
    although there isn't a b7 in either of these voicing it's implied by it's function and the harmonic context in my opinion

    Fmaj9

    Or do you mean how how to finger the chords?

    The Gm7 fingering is

    1x333x - the 3rd finger bars across the D, B and G strings


    For the first C7b9 the fingering I use is:

    x2131x - the 1st finger bars across the D, G and B strings.


    For the other two altered chords I just use my 1st and 3rd finger.

    x1333x


    The Fmaj9 fingering is

    x4111x - the 1st finger bars the D, G and B strings.


    I hope this answers your question.
     
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    Numerous :confused:
    Apparently it's been covered (professionally) 1700 times or so. Only second to "Yesterday" for record number of cover recordings. Even the Getzx/Gilberto/Jobim with Astrud's vocals 'original' is technically a cover, and the Portuguese lyrics are almost completely different meaning words.

    How many variations is that? ;)
     
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    Rock player? Sure I've played rock but I'm classical trained, then 'folk' then blues then renaissance and baroque (lute), then ... :confused:

    Any three notes sounded together is a 'chord', the problem is then naming it, especially if the root is left off, or the melody (or bass) line is played through it. Sometimes it is better to just omit the chord name.

    It's actually quite difficult to find a three or four note chord that is totally dissonant.
     
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    Thanks for the finger stretching exercises.

    Those alternative fingerings do help, especially as I cannot do a thumb-over (it's the wrong shape/angle), 244320 is impossible without an extra finger ;)
     
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    Cool! Really like the x3444x chords, going to get those into my playing.

    Here are the chord voicings I usually use for that part

    5x5533
    x54544
    3x3311
    x32322
     
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    Numerous.
     
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    No, names and fingerings for these are not a problem, I mean the way you fret
    3
    3
    2
    5
    5
    For example.
     
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    I did show where to fret them but I've done it differently than you. Instead of vertically like you've shown in my diagrams the low 'E' string is on the far left and is read across horizontally. I find it easier to do it this way on the forum. It takes less space I think. I can understand how you were confused though. Without this explanation it just looks like a bunch of x's and numbers crammed together.:D


    These show what fret the chord is played at (low E on left side )

    5x555x - Am7
    x5454x - D7b9
    x3444x - D713b9
    x6777x - D7b9


    3x333x - Gm7
    x3232x - C7b9
    x1222x - C13b9
    x4555x - C7b9
    x8555x - Fmaj9
     
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    Haha )) I see. I thought there must be something wrong with the way I read it )

    Thanks
     
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    I used to do it your way, vertically, but since being on this forum I've changed to doing it the other way because most others here do it that way. I remember now being pretty confused the first time I saw it done horizontally. :D
     
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    Yeah when i first saw x3158 or something like that I thought, woow, Im really way behind most people in my playing...)
     
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    Very nice BG!

    *When I want guys to play those type of voicings I generally 'name' them as triad over bass note.
    For example; D13b9 = C/B ... and the second D(b9) would be D/Eb .
    When I write it like that I find that the piano player will play the 'sound/color' (which is beautifully unique in those voicings) that I'm looking for.
     
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    Thanks for the tip. That's a much better way of naming those chords.
     
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    A little off topic but maybe not.All examples leave out the b5 on the second chord which is in the melody except for in these last voicings above .The melody even contains the natural 9th(E) but both the b9 and the natural 9 seem to work hmm.
    I don't necessarily see the second chord D as a dom7b9 exactly.The Ab (b5 of D)could be in the bass as well so it might be Ami7/ Abdim(Ab7#9b5/ Gmin7/ Gbdim(Gb7#9b5).
    Does anyone see where I'm going with this?What were the original changes and can you arbitrarily turn a chromatic iii/blll/ii/blll progression into a iii/VI/ii/V progression?
     
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    Melody. I don't hear a nat9 over D7b9 or C7b9 chords. the melody there is G# A over D7b9 and F# (optional: then G) over C7b9.

    Bass line. I'm a sucker for playing the descending chromatic line from A to F on solo guitar. Bossa seems to demand that, at least on one pass through the bridge.

    Tritone subs will make a iii/VI/ii/V look like iii/blll/ii/blll.
     
  19. klasaine

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    Original changes were iii - VI - ii - V.
    For me, the cool thing is not playing the alt. notes (b5 and b9) in the changes precisely because the melody has it. Or, if you do need to play them put them inside the chord (or, on the bottom) as opposed to on top. Hence the iii - bIII - ii - bII giving the bass line now the alt. tones *as mentioned by BigDaddyLH.

    Example:
    Am7 - Ab7b5 (D7b5, the tri-tone sub)
    --x-----x----
    --5-----3----
    --5-----5----
    --5-----4----
    --x-----x-----
    --5-----4-----

    Then just drop down a fret and repeat the above two fingerings: |Am7 | Ab7b5 (or D7b5 - the tri-tone sub) to | Gm7 | Gb7b5 or C7b5 |

    Trust me on this - singers will love you if you don't always steal their thunder.
     
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    True dat!
     
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