Gibson to change Epiphone Headstock Shape

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  1. Brian Krashpad

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    I believe in Japan the headstock is not considered a trademark like it is in the US.

    So if Edwards, etc., are going to use the open book, Epi better too.
     
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    What was it Mike Ehrmentraut said about "half measures?"

    It will be an improvement, I would guess, but they should just make the open book standard. I think Fender has had great success with using the same for it's cheaper import line, and lots of people still want to upgrade* from Squiers to Fenders.


    * though the difference seems to narrow more and more all the time...
     
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    This is kinda sad - I never noticed the Epi and Gibson headstocks were different - not really a Gibson kind of guy...
     
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    So this new headstock is going to add how much to the asking price - 200? 300?
     
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    More!!!
     
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    Epiphone headstocks on Gibson designs pains me.

    I would have no issue picking up a new offshore guitar if they made this change.
     
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    As much as I'd like to believe it, those companies find it impossible to round up investors.

    As others have noted, it's clear Gibson is concerned about the hits it's taking from copycat guitars. I suspect most North American buyers would gladly snap up an Epiphone instead of ordering a Chibson from AliBaba if it had a Gibson-shaped headstock. This move could also knock some of the legs out of the used Epiphone market. Some of the biggest competition for a brand like Gibson or Fender (or Epiphone or Squier) comes from its own instruments on the used market.
     
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    And a lot of wasted wood, always thought they were way too big. I like the new.
     
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    Any chance my older Dot will skyrocket in value? o_O
     
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    Imagine this headline... Gibson to lower their prices!
     
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    lol: oh .....:rolleyes:.... of course of course, sure, it could happen.
     
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    When no more Muricans are willing to pay Muricans to make Murican stuff, Murican companies will have to farm out manufacturing to China. Seen that one coming?

    That'll make 'em cheaper fer sure!
     
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    If they make it just like the Gibson headstock, that would be great, but that exaggerated open book design is almost as bad as the current Epiphone one. If they really want to get nuts and sell a lot of guitars, do what Fender does, same headstock on all lines, continue to brand the Asian made ones as Epiphones and have a Mexican made or other higher quality foreign made ones branded "Gibson" and then the highest level ones would still be American Made Gibsons.
     
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    Oh snap ...I was hoping for the “ bat wing “ on everything..

    I kinda wish they would dump the whole Epi thing except for limited domestic runs of the few designs that are best known as Epiphones.. price them a bit under the Gibson equivalent and you could create a nice little buzz..

    For a budget line I think they gave up on US Gibson production too soon, I liked all those fun little feather rustlers they did over the last few years... eh some mistakes were made, NBD the Kalamazoo crew goofed up the first gen LP, they fixed it and moved forward, Nashville should do the same. You could even tie it in with the above, something like a single PU Cornet W/ a double slug & flat body for $399 street would cover a lot of ground.

    With the current economic situation they could probably do well licensing the body shapes to second tier offshore makers, on a per piece royalty and avoid the hassle of shipping/ importing more of the same.
     
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    I like Epiphone guitars and I have a bunch. They encompass a range of different headstock shapes.

    The headstock shape on my Flamekat is different from my Crestwood, which is different from that on my Wilshire, which is 6 inline, aka the "bat wing".

    My Epi Nighthawk, Lesters, SGs, 339s, and 335 all have variations of the "notched canoe paddle" design, and I have grown accustomed to that one too.

    I agree with @Bones that the exaggerated open book headstock is actually worse than the "notched canoe paddle".

    I welcome innovation and new ideas, but I hope Gibson doesn't screw up their tried and true Epiphone products just for the sake of vanity...

    We used to be able to blame that sort of thing on Henry! In retrospect, maybe it wasn't all Henry's fault...

    Hopefully it will be a good thing. I will withhold judgment until the new variations are available and I can play a few.
     
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    In the end you'll still have an Epiphone. Nothing wrong with that. Great instruments mostly and a more affordable option.
     
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    I always thought the Epi LP headstock shape looks just like the Gibbo one, but with the corners chewed off.

    I prefer the shape they use on the Epi Dot models - I think that actually looks nicer than the one Gibbo use for the 335 (and nearly everything else) since the slightly elongated shape suits the larger dimensions of the Dot.

    I digress slightly though - totally, lose the chewed-corners look. :)
     
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    Would it make sense to change the header stock angle at the same time?
     
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    I may actually buy an Epi Les Paul if they changed the headstock to the classic Gibson headstock. Epi's are great guitars I just hate the way the headstock looks. Has nothing to do with the name on it either, just the shape. An open book headstock with Epiphone written on it would be just fine in my books.
     
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