Gibson GA-20T build: Suggestions for live band use?

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I am planning a build of a 1960 Gibson GA-20T. This amp would be mostly used with a 3-4 piece, playing blues/alt-country/rock in bars.

I have the option to add/change some things in the design stage. I have a few questions and could use suggestions for ways to make this amp more viable for gigs- without being mic’d.

Is this amp loud enough for gigs if built close to stock?
Some reviews say no…. they can get muddy and lost with drums and need to be mic’d or re-amped to be heard through the mix. But, others are saying they work well for gigs and can be very loud. I have been trying to figure this all out and have been info-gathering.
The most frequent suggestions I found are:

Use a high efficiency speaker:

What db rating should I be targeting? What speaker has worked for you?
I would prefer an American-voiced alnico speaker. Something with a bigger magnet and VC than a P12Q. Similar to the P12P size, or bigger if necessary.
Upgrade the OT:
The small OT adds compression and can contribute to stage volume issues. It also contributes to some of the mojo of the tone as well. So… has anyone used a 20W Deluxe type OT (or larger) with this amp? What were the results?

Other suggestions:
· Run 6L6’s or 5881’s for more headroom and power (most likely require PT/OT upgrades)
· Use 2X10 instead of 1X12 for a tighter sound, more surface area
· Add a switchable NFB circuit.

I really don’t want to lose too much of the overall tone and feel of this amp if I don’t need to. I just want to make sure the amp will work for my use.

I would much appreciate any suggestions for speakers, circuit tweaks, and/or gigging and build experiences with this amp or with GA-40’s. This era Gibson amp really suits my playing, and I would love to be able to use one as my grab ‘n’ go amp for gigs. Cheers.
 

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i have a 56 ga20t. i don't gig with it but i'm amazed at how loud it is. it has a great tremolo circuit. it has 12ay7, 5879, 12ax7, 6sq7, 5y3 and two 6v6. you may want to use a modern 12" speaker as i think that would help. it may depend on how loud your drummer is. ha!
check with the gibson tube amp people below.
play music!

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If you are building from scratch I suppose everything is negotiable. How about a choke to the screen capacitor to increase voltage and so squeeze a bit more power out? Plus it would likely bring a bit more clarity to the preamp by raising voltages down the line.

Must admit this kind of amp has been on my hitlist for a while, if I ever get time to build another amp ever again, so am interested in what you go with.

I played live many times with a 10 watt single ended amp with no trouble using an efficient speaker.
 

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Not sure how similar the circuit is, but I played a ‘64 Gibson Discoverer live for a year or two. It was stock except for an efficient speaker, it was a random Altec stereo speaker the previous owner installed. It was clean all the way up on the volume, very little bark. Wonderful pedal platform, loud enough, and sat better in the mix than anything else I’ve owned.

I’d imagine any high wattage speaker that you like would work well with that to get your desired result. I like a Vintage 30 in everything, but you can go even higher in wattage for the speaker of course.
 

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i have a 56 ga20t. i don't gig with it but i'm amazed at how loud it is. it has a great tremolo circuit. it has 12ay7, 5879, 12ax7, 6sq7, 5y3 and two 6v6. you may want to use a modern 12" speaker as i think that would help. it may depend on how loud your drummer is. ha!
check with the gibson tube amp people below.
play music!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/234008453370077
Thanks for the info and link.
 

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I am hoping some Gibson owners will weigh in here... Wondering if this post is better suited in Amp Central Station?
 

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I am hoping some Gibson owners will weigh in here... Wondering if this post is better suited in Amp Central Station?

the gibson tube amp people i linked didn't respond there? they are usually pretty prompt.
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I did get some info from a member of that forum, thanks. Thought I would get some more responses at this site, maybe this post is better suited in one of the other forums...
 

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Hey, Durvoid. I just put up a post about a 1959/1960 GA-20 that I'm considering buying. I don't know a lot about these amps. Can you tell me the difference between the GA-20 and the GA-20T?
 

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Thanks, David
Besides the tremolo. the GA-20 uses 2 12ax7's in the preamp section.
The 20T uses a 12ay7 in one channel and a 5879 tube in channel 2 for the preamp. Channel 1 is grid leak biased like the early Fender deluxe models. The 5879's are pretty high gain tubes, similar to the EF86 tubes used in some Vox and Matchless amps IIRC.
 
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