Getting That Ventures Sound - How?

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  1. davidge1

    davidge1 Friend of Leo's

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    I used to own a 60s Ventures model Mosrite, and have played many of them. The pickups are hotter than Fender pickups, but not as hot as Gibson pickups. Other than that, you're completely right. I got to meet Nokie Edwards once, and he said the sound on Walk Don't Run '64 was created with that Red Rhodes fuzz, not the amp being overdriven. It's a very mild fuzz effect, you almost wouldn't even think it was a fuzzbox. I have never, in 20 years, been able to find a fuzz that would make that sound. And yes, he always used (and still uses) very light gauge strings.

    I honestly don't think there's anything really special about the sound of Mosrite pickups. P90 pickups will get you close enough.

    The earliest Mosrites (like the ones played by Joe Maphis and Larry Collins) had Carvin pickups, and those DID have a very unique sound.
     
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    One has to be careful. The studio amps are one thing; the stage amps may be something else entirely.
     
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    Bob seems to be playing fairly close to the bridge, too.
     
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    Sometimes I wish I wasn't such a technotard so I could post this -- but check out The Ventures "House of the Rising Sun" on Youtube. Live, with Mosrites, so not what I think of as the typical recorded Ventures tone -- but totally badass!
     
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    Wild tangent, but here's Larry Collins (of The Collins Kids, if you know who they were/are, since they are apparently still at it) and he's playing a double-neck that is either a Mosrite or is Mosrite-inspired:

     
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    The Ventures

    The Sun Also Rises, Penetration, Walk Don't Run - Gerry McGhee



    Walk Don't Run - Nokie Edwards
     
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    I'm realizing one doesn't hear that bum-dip-dip-bum-dip drum pattern hardly at all anymore. It used to be the standard rock-n-roll beat and now it's largely a thing of the past. :eek:
     
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    Everclear - Walk Don't Run


    The Shadows - Walk Don't Run


    Roy Buchanan - Short Fuse & Walk Don't Run


    U900 - Walk Don't Run... :cool:
     
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    I'll guess Fender bassman, bandmaster and tremolux amps. No?
     
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    I too am a Ventures fan. There is a certain period Nokie got that illusive sound and get recorded in the album "Live In Japan". During my days as record producer and engineer, one approach to getting that "Live In Japan Sound" is using Mosrite hot pickup guitars, drive it through a Japanese guitar amp of the era which doesn't use guitar modelled speakers but more like full range speakers. The amp distortion will provide that top edge not possible by any pedal I have tried so far.

    This has been one tone I sought after.

    The modern overdrive pedals are too smooth, whereas the Germanium pedals is more of a "Satisfaction" tone.
     
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    Getting the Ventures sound . . . you'll need a second rate drummer and a complete aversion to practising.
     
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    I concur with the flatwound strings theory, for Bob Bogle's early leads. Love it all!


    When my ex-band played "Walk Don't Run" and "Perfidia" I definitely switched to middle/both-pickups position for "that sound." Vibrato arm helps in tunes like "Perfidia" which they did in a surf medley with "Walk Don't Run."
     
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    A Jazzmaster or Jaguar will get you most of the way there. Otherwise the middle setting of any Fender guitar will also work.

    I'm a huge Shadows and Ventures fan and I've covered a load of their songs over the years using loads of different guitars. Any electric guitar on a clean setting with perhaps reverb or echo will get the vibe. In my experience it's more how you play than what guitar you play that conveys the character of a music genre.
     
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    Wow, a new sign up and resurrection of a 9 year old thread in the first post.
     
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    I get pretty close with this setup! 004.JPG
     
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