General Observation-playing Guitar Isn't Something Kids Are Rushing Out To Learn And Do Anymore

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  1. ColonelPanic

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    A couple of things to mention here, just because somebody isn't playing in a band, doesn't alter whether or not they're a guitar player.
    From a younger viewpoint, not knowing how many people played the guitar in the past, I'd have to say that there are a lot of guitarists of my generation, most of them buying Epi Casinos (the brit-rock hipster types with long ginger hair) or the Metal types who buy Ibanez(es?) with too many strings, and playing their favourite hardcore-metal-core-grunge-death or whatever it is.
    Then there's the type who'll have an acoustic guitar, and bash out the latest pop tunes in the high-street for fun (and tips!).
    You can go to a local folk club though, and it's filled with people a couple of generations up (late 50s, early 60s) who will play nice Taylors or Martins or Larrivees.
    Our local churches have worship bands filled with people in their early 20s too.

    I should probably point out that most (all but one) of the people I know who play the guitar (of all 'talent spectra') are self taught.

    I guess it depends where you look, but there's definitely enough younger guitarists with enough talent to fill the world.
     
  2. Frank'n'censed

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    Your kids, are for my biased self, incredibly cool, but I feel your scenario's a remote, pocket of hope & not indicative of the greater, younger situation.
    *Your son is even sharper, with his bass interests...he'll get way more work, especially if he's really good.
     
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    My nephews started on guitar hero. The new thing is "guitarsmith" same thing apparently but use real guitars. He must really like it he has bought a cheap tele until his Les Paul arrives!
     
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    Tele Like It Is...

     
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    We visited family over Christmas in Ireland and 2 families who are friends both have sons aged 14
    and both play the guitar and have done for about 3 years, so maybe it's not quite as bad as it seems.
     
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    I find the real problem with kids these days is they don't learn to play guitar........WELL......BEFORE they decide they are good enough to be performing.

    *facepalm*
     
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  7. Frank'n'censed

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    That's ironic, considering the legions of '70's punk & post-punk inspired guitarists that have been spawned, with no more than six strings, (on a good day), 2 chords & major attitude.
     
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    I think that the current youth musician contingent took the rugged punk minimalism a little bit too far in their delusions of adequacy.
     
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    My 3 are middle and high school aged. We only have 1 TV in a den room and not all the cable stuff or Netflix but they will get DVDs from library and watch things on basic cable here or with friends. We probably live 1-2 miles from each other. When I get in our minivan and/or shuttle kids they have the same Madison area radio stations in memory that I set with push buttons in the 1970s.

    One difference is they don't sit in front of a stereo in a den, basement or bedroom as I recall. They plug in or use bluetooth for a speaker and stream tunes from Youtube (Google), Apple or Amazon.

    When I pick up my kids from their sports team practices the music plays in this newer style, has current pop tunes, and much to my surprise will include classic rock from the 1960s and 70s. There wasn't much cranking my parents' era stuff when I was in high school except for my being in the jazz band.

    Kids are same as ever and still in some nice ways. To some extent I think all you can do with kids is try to steer and hope they are in a good group. Where I see that happening I see hope for the future. Mine want Converse and Nike shoes same age I did, and there's time for them to add my same want for a Martin guitar.

    People should be careful about how they characterize kids because I think some will be better than ever. The two of us might be equally close to Blackhawk where I help with the 450+ kids in youth outdoor and sports programs. Many do music as well as sport. They do old fashioned outdoor adventure. They know algebra before I knew what it was. Even if we fault parents for too many drop off programs, there are awesome ones like these where I help. Let's be hopeful.

    :)
     
  10. sir humphrey

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    Since Idol/x-factor most kids think that being a star involves singing Karaoke.

    Guitar isn't something to aspire to in the way it once was.

    On the other hand, I can confidently state that being a good musician still gets you laid.

    As long as that remains true there is still hope ;-)
     
  11. Tim Bowen

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    Like I said in my previous post here, I've been teaching music for a long time, since 1984. As with everything else that endures the passage of time, things are definitely way different. If somebody wants to label it 'old man speak' that's fine by me, but I tend to think of it more in terms of having been around this - music education - for a long time, and I feel that I am reasonably objective about what I've witnessed over the years.

    There's an overabundance of caffeine-addicted, Type A "stage moms" out there. The poor kids are often the hapless victims of a parent's ambitions for their would-be Renaissance children.

    I see it all the time. Another byproduct of an instant gratification society. Overzealous mothers looking to get eight year old Jr. with four months of guitar lessons under his belt into his first recital right away so that she can post a barrage of photos to FaceBook and impress her friends and family with Jr.'s amazing musical prowess. These folks don't understand how easy it can be to totally break the spirit of a child, by having them endure the enormous pressure and trauma of a high profile situation among their peers that they're not even in the ballpark of being ready for. I've seen this too. Way too many times. Let's get Junior playing Come to Jesus in whole notes before we start planning for Carnegie Hall.

    There are also parents out there who are trying to make things way too easy for their children to participate in performance events.

    No dirt under the fingernails = no dues paid = no experience/no education = wrong way to go about it IMO.

    Fortunately, the 'gotta pay your dues' concept - and the reality that somebody's dad needs to supply a garage, somebody's mom needs to assist Junior in getting a small working PA system, and oh yeah, we got too many guys here playing guitar, what we really need is a drum set and a guy to play it, and oh yeah, the long thing with only four strings, yeah a bass, we need that too - is not entirely dead and buried.

    One of the schools that I teach for has its own 'School of Rock' (no, Jack Black is not an associate, sorry!), and I know that this is not entirely uncommon for independent music schools. It's great. Kids are mentored by a pro and they have to put together a band with all the pieces intact (keyboards too, sometimes), rehearse like crazy, learn four or five songs really well, and they have to sing, and deal with dynamics and intonation problems and gear issues and cues and tempo problems and egos and divas and politics. Just like real bands!

    And then they go to a local venue with a real stage and real lights and deal with their nervousness and perform the songs in front of an audience. Just like the Big Rock Show! And if they survive this and dig the rush, they might just have the bug for all of eternity, or at least for a portion of their childhood. And if they want to continue on past the events of the big gala School of Rock show - well then, somebody's dad needs to supply a garage for Junior and his buddies... and then there's the matter of the PA...
     
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    [QUOT E="Flat6Driver, post: 6863244, member: 95016"]I was worried we wouldn't make it through the weekend without the usual "old men complaining guitar is dead" thread. And yet, here it is!

    I am on the local Facebook site for my community, every couple of weeks some mom is looking for lessons for her daughter .

    What are YOU doing to promote the guitar for the young?

    I'm on my way back from vacation...my son (11) got a big kick out tipping all the solo acts in the restaurants (out of my wallet!). In Savannah he watch this guy play in a hacky way and some open tuning for like 30 minutes..completely engaged. A lot of it is exposure.[/QUOTE]

    I think I saw that same guy in Savannah. Did he have a ton of stickers on his guitar? I think we saw him at the shops near the waterfront by the underpass.
     
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    Well whaddya know there so much more alternatives nowadays when it comes to instruments. But guitar stands still, it wont die, it will always have its place. And i have to disagree that kids arent into guitars anymore. I know more kids playing guitar today than i knew when I was kid and started playing. I'm more concerned about lack of imagination, own style and little nyances in todays playing. Seems to me that more and more of people just want to get supertechnical but lacks that emotional concept in their playing...
     
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    Kudos to you. That's the best one sentence summation of TDPRI I've read.
     
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    A school near me does that. It ain't cheap! My son watched the performance and noticed the bass kid was only playing whole notes (and skipping some measures). He said he would want to do more! (The one band had a guy from the school offstage in the shadows playing a guitar with a tone that filled up a lot of sonic space...)


    Nah, this guy was on the waterfront, clean cut, well dressed older fellow with his CDs and all. Every chord seemed to look like and open G or C/Gadd9. Not sure exactly how he had it tuned.
     
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    Although this is still true, the older the guitarist gets, the older the opportunity gets lol. Which is fine.
     
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    This is so true, in fact, that I am a married dad now. All because of the band I was playing in when we met. True life.
     
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    There always seem to be plenty of young people in GC playing guitars when I stop by.

    As for the comment from a previous poster that Country guitar is easy, you must listen to different players than me or no one has ever unlocked the secret to Country guitar to me.
     
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  19. Mike Eskimo

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    Bottom line : your niece, nephew, son, kids you know - all might play but - far far fewer kids than even 20 years ago. And certainly far fewer new kids starting playing to replace older players who have stopped (or died).
    Fender and other companies know this too.
    And - it's reason #7 , among dozens of others , why the bottom will drop out of the vintage guitar market.
     
  20. Nick JD

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    Maybe someone with a connection to musictrades.com's census data could get some data from the last 15 years (as this is all I could find) but it seems to me that a few preliminary google searches show the opposite of the consensus of this thread. Guitar sales were on the increase up until 2007 AFAIK.

    Seems guitar sales are increasing - which is the idea I got from the search results with a fair bit of anecdote.

    Yes, those young folk in their cars are listening to the DOOF DOOF music, but all y'all old folks do not yet need to attempt to hold the sky up.

    And interesting point in the stats below is that guitars exported from China to various countries all showed an increase except in the USA. Might it be that guitar is less popular, in America?


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