Friend of Leo's
- Feb 22, 2008
- Heath Springs SC.
Any "Art" is like a message in a bottle. We throw it out into the world and maybe someone will find it. - Otis Gibbs
Wise words.'People are funny. It's not worth worrying about. Let it go"-Mjark.......unarguably, this is clearly a case of "'nuff said"...and yet, I ignore my instincts and plow right ahead.
@ASATKat: Ricky Nelson was nearly as eloquent as @Mjark decades ago when he intoned, "ya know ya can't please everyone, so, ya got ta please yourself"......Woody Allen was brilliant when he said "I'd never join a club that would allow a person like me to become a member"
This is not the first time you have attempted to resolve a very personal issue in a public forum, but perhaps ripping off the scab will bear fruit.Frequently I have taken personal issue with the ubiquitous "like" button. Its inherent connection to the adolescent mindset is insidious in that one's reaction to the presence or absence of this meaningless evaluation conjures up so many emotions tied to the need to be accepted.These feelings often persevere well into maturity. This recipe for the denigration of one's self esteem is especially prevalent amongst artists who often thrive on positive feedback from others, many of whom are remarkably uninterested in the artist's expressions. Post a musical performance on Social Media and prepare to be ignored for the most part. Post a picture of the pie you just baked, your grandchildren, "what you did last summer", your new car....well, you get it......and you go viral!Soooo.... you find a group of guitar players to interact with online expecting different, more satisfying results only to discover that now your Social Media community is comprised of a bunch of folks who are more or less as needy as yourself. Now......I'm not accusing you of being needy in a negative way......I personally don't think there's anything abnormal about an artist being "needy"...needing feedback...recognition....and wherever possible, admiration for one's work.....despite the fact that you have "pleased yourself" just like Ricky advised you to. So, if you discover a "kind" and "supportive" group like Twangville, good on you. I suppose, after a fashion, and in the final analysis, it's true that "mean people suck" like the bumperstickers proclaim. By and large, folks are going to scour your stuff to find something positive to say.....at least those who love to "write" and espouse their opinion...so, we have the guitarists and the writers and the evaluators and the gearheads , sometimes all rolled up into one and every last one is looking for love(probably in all the wrong places like that dude sang about).
Now, if you're still reading @ASATKat , please grab this one takeaway if nothing else:
When you complain about one member not "liking" your stuff, you not only denigrate yourself....sell yourself short.....you also unintentionally demean and devalue everyone who "liked" your stuff at the same time. It's much more than a glass half empty/half full issue, when you have 10-20 folks like your stuff by the time a backer fades into oblivion, and you're unfulfilled because of the absence of one persons approval......to paraphrase my late, dear Mother, "what are we, chopped liver?"
By the way......I don't like all your stuff...but I like some of it......but I'm pretty damned sure we all like *you*...there's a difference.
Personally, I like what Tom Petty said long ago, "It's alright if you love me...it's alright if you don't....I'm not afraid of you running away honey, I get the feeling you won't".....Ahhhh....devine!
As far as backer density goes, hell, I'm just happy to have a canvas to paint on.........I can use broad brush or a teeny one.....
I did that once on a windy day and it blew back and hit me in the face.Any "Art" is like a message in a bottle. We throw it out into the world and maybe someone will find it. - Otis Gibbs
We old fogey guitar players got to stick together. It's not like we have a big constituency of fans out there. Sometimes it is important just to keep trying.Wise words.
I use the like button to say I was here and I listened. Nothing to do with giving points to what I think is better.
I'll always keep trying, the day I quit will be due to a life changing event.We old fogey guitar players got to stick together. It's not like we have a big constituency of fans out there. Sometimes it is important just to keep trying.
I kinda feel the same way. I use garage band to make quick backing tracks on my phone. I have it pretty dialed in by now. I rarely add guitar since I usually just want to crank something out fast, so usually just bass and a drummer (or a little keys/synth). It's interesting, I use those more than others. The sound quality is pretty darn good for the digital instruments. I probably have 30 of these on my phone, all of which I made. It's super convenient and if I wanna add swing or something, it's a 2 min job.I really enjoy Twanger Central. It gives me the chance to 1) experiment with musical ideas 2) experiment with recording techniques, 3) show off a bit, and 4) hear some great players with original ideas.
All the backing tracks show a lot of of musicianship. So much so, that I enjoy some of them without adding a single note. This was how I reacted to the recent funk backing track in Eb. Great sound, great playing, a lotta musical action. An excellent listen in and of itself, to which it seemed unnecessary to add a solo. So I didn't.
For me, the sparse, minimal backers work better. More room for me to mess around.
But as the saying goes, "that's just me". Thanks for tolerating my opinion: y'all are a great bunch of players.
Aren't most of the BTs put up here 'found elsewhere'?a popular contributor stated his tracks were found elsewhere on the internet and not original. I didn't like that.
It's a lot of work to create a BT, especially if you are providing 4 in one post. I'm grateful for anyone who posts a backing track for us to just download and play on. They are usually vairied in genre and nicely produced. I second what Ken said about homemade backers!Aren't most of the BTs put up here 'found elsewhere'?
Maybe tweaked for length, sped up/slowed down, and possibly amended with another rhythm part?
I have contributed maybe 6 or 7 total over the last three years. Half of those I snagged from Youtube (and amended). The other half I did myself.
*I have nothing but respect for the contributors here who do make their own all the time.
PatrickM01, Guitarsophist, Mjark, e-street, and BigBreak come to mind. If I left anybody out, I apologize. Kudos to you guys.
As for the bit of drama ...
Gents, this is the internet. At once both fantastic and nightmarish. This "Twanger Central" sub-forum is probably one of the most civilized locales in it. Let's be thankful for that and try to keep it that way.
I was under the impression they weren't. I mean you can go on YouTube and find a.lifetime full of backing tracks...and covers, isolated tracks and vocals...on and on.Aren't most of the BTs put up here 'found elsewhere'?
|LOOP #||JamMan LOOP names (Jazz)||KEY|
|LOOP01||0702 - Four||Eb|
|LOOP02||0703 - Tune Up||C|
|LOOP03||0803 - St Thomas||C|
|LOOP04||1202 - Satin Doll||C|
|LOOP05||1203 - Solitude||Eb|
|LOOP06||1205 - Mood Indigo||Ab|
|LOOP07||1208 - Sophisticated Lady||Ab|
|LOOP08||1209 - Take the A Train||C|
|LOOP09||1210 - Prelude to a Kiss||C|
|LOOP10||1402 - Killer Joe||C|
|LOOP11||2702 - Mr. PC||Bb|
|LOOP12||2803 - Giants Steps - Slow||C|
|LOOP13||3103 - Meditation||C|
|LOOP14||3202 - Lover Man||F|
|LOOP15||3205 - Lush Life||Db|
|LOOP16||4302 - Groovin' High||Eb|
|LOOP17||4303 - All The Things You Are||Ab|
|LOOP18||4304 - A Night In Tunisia||F|
|LOOP19||4309 - Bluesette||G|
|LOOP20||4402 - Autumn Leaves||Bb|
|LOOP21||4404 - Tenderly||Eb|
|LOOP22||4408 - There Will Never Be Another You||Eb|
|LOOP23||4805 - C Jam Blues||C|
|LOOP24||4907 - Georgia On My Mind||F|
|LOOP25||5002 - Freddie Freeloader||Bb|
|LOOP26||5003 - So What (Slow version)||C|
|LOOP27||5004 - All Blues||C|
|LOOP28||5006 - Blue In Green||C|
|LOOP29||5103 - Embraceable You||G|
|LOOP30||5104 - I Got Rhythm (Flintstone's Theme)||Bb|
|LOOP31||5205 - Stardust||C|
|LOOP32||5302 - Joy Spring||F|
|LOOP33||5406 - Watermelon Man||C|
|LOOP34||5508 - Smoke Gets In Your Eyes||Eb|
|LOOP35||5610 - 'Round Midnight||Gb|
|LOOP36||6203 - Four On Six||Bb|
|LOOP37||6204 - Road Song||Eb|
|LOOP38||7101 - Honeysuckle Rose||F|
|LOOP39||9501 - All of Me||C|
|LOOP40||9506 - 500 Miles High||C|
|LOOP41||9802 - Wave||D|
|LOOP42||9806 - One Note Samba||Bb|
|LOOP43||9811 - Desafinado||F|
|LOOP44||10501 - Take Five||Gb|
|LOOP45||22102 - Stella by Starlight||G|
|LOOP46||22103 - My Old Flame||G|
|LOOP47||22105 - Easy Living||Eb|
|LOOP48||22106 - The Nearness of You||F|
|LOOP49||22206 - Out of Nowhere||G|
|LOOP50||22207 - Tangerine||F|
|LOOP51||25107 - A Foggy Day||F|
|LOOP52||25109 - My Favorite Things||G|
|LOOP53||25202 - Have You Met Miss Jones||F|
|LOOP54||25202 - Summertime||C|
|LOOP55||25204 - Come rain or shine||F|
|LOOP56||25209 - Our Love Is Here To Stay||F|
|LOOP57||25210 - My Funny Valentine||Eb|
|LOOP58||34102 - On Green Dolphin Street||Eb|
|LOOP59||34103 - Just Friends||F|
|LOOP60||34104 - Don't Blame Me||C|
|LOOP61||34109 - Over the Rainbow||Eb|
|LOOP62||40102 - Lullabye of Birdland||Eb|
|LOOP63||40104 - The Days Of Wine And Roses||F|
|LOOP64||40106 - Autumn in New York||F|
|LOOP65||40107 - I Cover the Waterfront||F|
|LOOP66||40108 - Love For Sale||Bb|
|LOOP67||41103 - Body and Soul||Db|
|LOOP68||41203 - Misty||Eb|
that's as bad a copyright infringement as doing a cover....
No copyright infringement on just chords and groove. Even if it's the chords and groove (and arrangement) from an obvious "song" that already exists (as long as it's not the original recording). An artist can copyright a recorded performance i.e., the record - that's known as an 'original sound recording'. Using the actual solo section from the recorded version of Stairway to Heaven - now that gets into a grey area and is probably more likely to attract legal scrutiny than someone mocking up their own version of say "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" or whatever. Beato dodges all that by 1) not monetizing his channel (he does try to sell his courses through the vids) and 2) labeling his content as "educational" (which it is IMO).That said, I posted the "Stairway" thread and I belive I gave credit to Beato
This post is so full of misinformation..not sure where to start.No copyright infringement on just chords and groove. Even if it's the chords and groove (and arrangement) from an obvious "song" that already exists. An artist can copyright a recorded performance i.e., the record - that's known as an 'original sound recording'. Using the actual solo section from the recorded version of Stairway to Heaven - now that gets into a grey area and is probably more likely to attract legal scrutiny than someone mocking up their own version of say "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" or whatever. Beato dodges all that by 1) not monetizing his channel (he does try to sell his courses through the vids) and 2) labeling his content as "educational" (which it is IMO).
Anyway, most of the backers here at the Twanger forum are from elsewhere. Also, it is assumed that a BT that's put on Youtube or made 'downloadable' on Soundcloud, will be used exactly for such purposes.
For example, a 'Blues Progression' is not copyrightable. How many Blues in A songs are out there? Thousands. Same for what's known as 'Rhythm Changes', and there are many other standard song forms.This post is so full of misinformation..not sure where to start.
I think the best falsehood is saying Beato doesn't monetize his channel...and I think you go on to try and describe "fair use". So...if Beato uses a copyrighted song to attract viewers to his channel, even though he turns off monetization for that video, is that not still gain? Lastly, (to just pick one more out of your "many"), YouTube will flag it and allow the owner to decide what to do, from blocking the song completely and asking Youtube to issue a strike, to sharing copyright monies.
Oh...I can't leave out.. No copyright infringement on just chords and groove. Even if it's the chords and groove (and arrangement) from an obvious "song" that already exists.
Where do you get that from?
I would disagree. Your 2nd post is full of misinformation, as much as the first....almost to the point of just categorizing it as nonsense.*I kinda do know what I'm talking about with this stuff. I'm not a copyright lawyer but I am involved a bit with licensing mumusic.