For aircraft enthusiasts: Russia to retire the Antonov An-124 Condor.

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  1. Blazer

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    The Condor has been in service since the mid eighties and this HUGE plane, second largest to the An-225 "Cossack" has become quite a familiar sight all over the world.

    But much like its USA-made counterpart, the Lockheed C-5 Galaxy, the Condor is beginning to show its age after 30-odd years in service. Luckily Antonov has no issue with providing an update program, insuring that the majestic giant will remain a familiar sight all over the world for many years to come.

    BUT not for THIS particular user.
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    Because Antonov is a Ukraine based company and these days the relationship between the Ukraine and Russia isn't at it's best to put it mildly, so both the Russian Air force and the Russian state airliner Aeroflot were getting "No" for an answer when they inquired about having their Condors updated.

    So instead the Russians went back into their archives, what other design competed against the Condor when the design competition for a heavy transport plane was issued? Enter that OTHER Soviet era name that everybody knows from airliners and cargo planes: Ilyushin.
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    This is the Ilyushin Il-76 Candid, which has been in production since 1974 and has proven itself to be a dependable and versatile workhorse which found users all over the world. Even in the USA there are several airworthy examples used as fire bombers.
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    A Candid being loaded, this picture revealing that it actually has a tail gunner position, which is one of the more unusual features of the type. Although with most civilian versions the turret is either removed and fared over or just with the guns removed because the tail position comes in handy when used as an air to air fuel station or to keep an eye on proceedings when doing a parachute drop.

    Back when the design competition which spawned the Condor started, Ilyushin basically went with what they're familiar with and their IL-106 design looked very much like an enlarged Candid.
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    The Il-106 showed much promise but the Antonov was so much more capable that the Il-106 was doomed never to leave the design phase.
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    A specs chart for the Il-106, the cutaway showing the main reason why the Condor was chosen over the 106, the Condor has a nose which can open from the front which makes loading it so much easier.

    But very surprisingly, the Russians decided that the one who keeps stuff around can still use it when needed. Because Ilyushin has now been given the Go-ahead of starting production of a modernized version of the IL-106.
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    A decision which raised a LOT of eyebrows with propeller heads all over the world, because if we take that chart of the specs of the plane and assume they will go from there and then compare the plane to the Condor...
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    Yes, the IL-106 is MUCH larger than the Candid from which it was derived but is smaller than the Condor and no matter how you slice it far a less capable plane.

    How this will play out is anybody's guess but it'll be worth watching out for.
     
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    Is this the same reason why they are stopping flights of the Antonov 225?
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    No because that plane is owned by Antonov itself. It's most likely getting an upgrade too. There was talk about the AN-225 being built in China but so far nothing concrete has been achieved.
     
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    Raising this one up again because I found this picture of a Candid fitted with one of the engines proposed to power the new Russian super transporter.
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    That engine is just ridiculous.

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    A wind tunnel prototype, apparently it already gained a nickname "Elephant"

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    And a concept drawing of the new IL-106, which apparently gets the hinging nose of the Antonov.
     
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    NO stab?

    No thanks!
     
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    Is this where I am supposed to post the front page of the Buffalo Evening News featuring my Dad winning a huge U control contest up in Toronto? These U control models go up and down, faster and slower, but unlike real aircraft they have constant intervention from the contestant in the middle of the circle. They're incredibly primitive and that's why he got bored with them and moved on to free flight Canards of his own design, like this 1/2 A pusher.

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    Stabilizer? How about a 350% stabilizer? :^)
     
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    Heck yes! Cool stuff! Love it. Brings back fond memories.
     
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    Here, the rudders have been moved off of the fuselage, so it could be truncated and you don't so much of that strange effect where the prop wash over an upright rudder tends to steer the model off to the side when under power with a pusher prop.

    The fuselage segments are hollow. Four rectangular sections of straight grained spruce, joined with 1/16ths inch thick sheet balsa, and overlayed with silk and fuelproof dope. Mylar and carbon fiber and aluminum sheet and vacuum bagging, all come to Canard Land later on.

    Pusher props tended to be nylon and rather crummy, so my Dad carved his props out of some old straight cherry. The walnut/birch ply layup prop blanks come later. I think the basic motor is a Cox .049, but it is lapped, overbored and with an oversized piston. His motors were the FAI equivalent of something that Smokey Yunick would've been doing in NASCAR. Canards tend not to glide as slow as a conventional models, so you have to outclimb the others in order to beat them.
     
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    Love these posts
     
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    Great stuff blazer, keep them coming.
     
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    In 95’ we were transporting a Bell 230 from the Paris air show to Guayaquil Ecuador. The mode was a Il-76. This thing was built like a T-34. We off loaded the helicopter and delivered it to the Ecuadorian Navy. The 76’ was awesome. Big tube equipment lined racks on both side of the avionics bays.... (they used a hand held Garmin to get actually there). The whole aircraft smelled of onions and sweat because the crew (who earned about $50 a month each) had to cook there food. The Ecuadorians would not let them off the aircraft (immigration issue) and they couldn’t leave until the Navy had accepted the helicopter. We asked the Navy for a one night pass to take that Russian crew out to see the ‘sights’ and sounds of Guayaquil. South American powered idiocy ensued and they were forever grateful. They were super fun and funny guys. Their aircraft with its bald tires and leaky wing tanks was their pride and joy. One of the fondest times of my life. This brings it all back. Thanks!
     
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    Err.. you lost me there

    What are you talking about?
     
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    When I was on the USS Ranger in the early '70's they used to fly this baby over the carrier every so often, the Russian Bear TU-95. Four twin counter-rotating props. Cold war games. They would approach, we'd intercept with five aircraft and escort them around inside our space. One pilot told me they went so slow, they were hoping the F-4 Phantoms would have to shoot past them, but surprisingly the Phantoms hung right with them.

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    You showed a proto of a 4 engine "flying wing" design. No rudder and no stabilizer. While this can be done, I personally don't think it should be done.
     
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    And I was going "Stab? WTF is he talking about, there's no knives and stabbing involved."

    I'm pretty sure that that model is meant to try out different tail designs which are interchangeable.
     
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    Huh.

    Russian model airplane flyers/developers do have their own ways of doing things. They did, for example, invent the "folding wing" prototypes. I think the guy's name is Verbitsky.

    So I guess engineers could try different tail sections, in theory, but my is this putting off a highly integral aspect of the design way past when it should be determined. I guess I am comforted that they do have this in mind, but the way I look at it, you build out the design with one tail configuration and only change it if problems arise with it. 'Cause you can't really test a design much without that.

    I've met a lot of ex-Russian and ex-Soviet aeronautical people. They really don't think like USA, Canadian, French, German or UK designers think.
     
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