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For aircraft enthusiasts: 100 years ago the biggest fighter ace ever died.

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Blazer, May 10, 2018.

  1. notmyusualuserid

    notmyusualuserid Friend of Leo's

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    To reiterate. There is no mention of a bullet being recovered that I have seen. By 'seen' I include firsthand accounts that I've read. Doesn't mean there wasn't a bullet found, so I'm happy to be corrected

    Some further reading on the subject of the events of 21 April 1918 http://net.lib.byu.edu/~rdh7/wwi/comment/richt.htm
     
  2. E5RSY

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    Dang. Something else I'd forgotten...that the Lebel round is actually almost .33-caliber, not .32/7.9mm like most 8mm's.

    One confusing thing that always has to be kept in mind is the way European cartridges are named, compared to how American ones are: In America the cartridge name is derived from the depth of the grooves in the rifled barrel (which is the same as the diameter of the projectile). In Europe, the naming convention is based on the diameter across the rifling lands, which of course is smaller.

    p.s. The term "spitzer" refers to the tip of the bullet, being pointed (aka "spire-point"), as opposed to the previous generation of roundnose bullets. Nothing to do with the base.

    p.p.s. Sorry for the diversion into something likely not even really germane to the current discussion.
     
  3. mgreene

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    Right in the 'ol patootie.

    It still amazes me that the machine gun and dynamite were promoted as weapons so horrible that they would end war forever because no one would be inhuman enough to use them.
     
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    True. Mea culpa. I've been using the term "spitzer" for pointed flat base bullets over 40 yrs of reloading. Hard to break old habits! :)
     
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    I'm in the middle of Storm of Steel right now actually. Jünger just mentioned their air support mopping up British aircraft during the Somme retreat with ease, stating that it was Richthofen's squadron so they didn't stand a chance. I look forward to reading this post at lunch! Sorry for the quick reply without reading first, it's just so cool :)
     
  6. Blazer

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    Okay, I made some errors but that picture of the DVII did say that it WAS the Red Baron there, so that site I got it from got it wrong too.


    I got most of my information from an episode of "Investigating history" where they investigated the Red Baron's death. They went through very intensive studies and background information. So I figured that they'd got it right.

    It has been a while though since I last saw it.
     
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    No sweat, your posts are very interesting.
     
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    The last surviving WWI flying ace is giving a speech to a large ladies club...he is French.
    ---"And zere i was...surrounded...German Fokkers above me...Fokkers below me...German Fokkers all around!"
    ---some twittering from the audience...the MC interrupts..."Captain LeBlanc...maybe you should explain that a Fokker is a kind of German airplane."
    ---Ahhh...yes...of course...zat is true...but zese fokkers were in Messerschmidts!!!
     
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    I imagine there is a lot of precessional gyroscopic force on the nose of a rotary-engined airplane when you try to turn it. Airplane would want to climb while turning one way and descend while turning the other way. Which turn does which depends on the direction of propeller/engine rotation. I'm not surprised at all that Richtofen wanted to get rid of that engine. No throttle control--when it's on, it's wide-open on. You had to cut the ignition to control rpm. Not to mention the castor oil that got slung out from the centrifugal force.
     
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    Gyroscopic precession.
     
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    Excellent OP -- Thanks!
     
  12. Blazer

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    I heard that joke also in a WW2 setting and it doesn't work in either setting because:

    - Fokker was no longer a German manufacturer in the second world war
    - Messerschmitt wasn't even around in the first world war.
     
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    Great post, Blazer. Thanks much.
     
  14. charlie chitlin

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    I reject your reality and substitute my own!
    The facts are always subservient to a good joke.
     
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    Yes, as always a fun & informative read
    As far as the last remaining ace joke - never let facts get in the way of a good story
     
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    I was meaning no disrespect to anyone at the beginning it states French Soldiers surrounded the downed plane which is probably incorrect. Most likely he was shot down by the Australian Machine Gunner Popkin. The attachment of:
    The Death of Manfred von Richthofen:
    Who fired the fatal shot?


    To this thread gives a very in depth account. Great information on the German's Greatest Ace of WW I.
     
  17. notmyusualuserid

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    Yes I know it does. I posted it.

    May I respectfully suggest that you read my other posts on this thread too? ;)
     
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    Change Messerschmitt to Albatross and we're back in business. :D
     
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    Biggest ever?

    Erich Hartmann disagrees!
     
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    Another error. The greatest ace of all time was Hauptmann Erich Hartmann. 352 kills. 345 against the Soviets and 7 against the Americans.
     
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