First Act Strat Slide Guitar UPDATE

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  1. telemnemonics

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    Hmmm, in the old days when we got only motorcycles from BMW the joke was that it stood for "Black Mit White" because they were only those two colors and kinda stiff collared.
    Maybe in honor of those old Schallers plus the colors you could call it The German ?
     
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    Two of the things I learned about Slide
    ... use metal slides because you'll drop them eventually where glass shatters and metal ones just ring out. If using glass, keep a backup when on stage.
    ... you can buy a couple feet of 3/4in copper pipe at the hardware store for a few dollars to cut and sand a gaggle of slides. This is what I mostly have.

    Have you tried the wine bottle neck trick? I've used a diamond tile saw to cut mine to experiment with.




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  3. FenderGyrl

    FenderGyrl Friend of Leo's

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    I've tried that and never got it to work for me..
    :confused:
     
  4. FenderGyrl

    FenderGyrl Friend of Leo's

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    BUMP - UPDATE

    I've been playing this guitar 90% of the time over the past few weeks.

    I needed to keep fine tuning by ear what I wanted to hear.

    I swapped out the 13 High E string for a 15 gauge. Tuned down to D, it has the tension that I needed. Playing with this tweak really helped. It eliminated the pitchiness I was fighting when using the thicker plexiglas slide.

    It also helped big time when playing only the 1st and 2nd strings together, especially above the 12th fret. I was fighting string warble... I was putting too much effort into trying to keep them in pitch with each other.

    Lastly,
    I was really happy with the set up. I played around with different slides. Clean and Tube Screamer tones. The last thing I needed to fix was the Wolf Tones I was getting from the 1st and 2nd strings. Especially with distortion.

    The Fix:
    Ceramic PUPS...
    I needed to tame the harshness of E and B strings. Pulled out an old trick I learned from my mentor:
    Trick the poles under the E and B strings.

    Make them sound like they are over Covered Poles...
    Yes...Black Electrical Tape ...
    And yes... It improved the sound to the max.
    The wound strings = Bright

    The Unwound strings = No Wolf tones.
    They sound just right with tone set for the wound strings. Balanced. ;)
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    How's about a demo once you are done too?
     
  6. FenderGyrl

    FenderGyrl Friend of Leo's

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    I'm gonna work this.
    I cant get files to upload.
    Sound Cloud?
    I dont know...
    I'm not savvy at that stuff.:(
     
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  7. FenderGyrl

    FenderGyrl Friend of Leo's

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    Let's talk tuning:
    Tempered Tuning
    See Below
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  8. FenderGyrl

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    Ok...
    I'm not Music Conservatory trained..

    But I been around ya know...I've been around... I know things !!! :twisted::cool::p

    If you've ever dabbled in the Pedal Steel world...you may have even just been on a Pedal Steel site...you probably heard the term Tempered Tuning.

    Ah yes...its magical and mystical...
    I firmly believe that its probably the best kept secret of the Music Worlds Elite... like a Secret Society they dont share it with the Hoi Palloi, though some of the Rock and Country and Jazz elite are hip to it.
    They just dont share it.:confused:

    Oh FenderGyrl...
    I think being stuck in the house has broken you... wow. :confused::eek::rolleyes:

    Wait, wait a minute...
    Let me say that Pedal Steelers use tempered tuning to hit that sweet spot.

    I know...beefy frets...strangling your guitar neck..too high action... all this will drive you nuts playing guitar and sounding tuned across the board
    And yes I know it's a fact that the guitar by nature is gonna have problems, hence fanned frets and special nuts.

    But why do Pedal Steel and Lap Steel players...heck...even Joe Walsh use Tempered Tuning?

    In a Youtube vid Joe argued with a tuner and did his Open E by ear... then winked at the camera.

    T-Tuning was taught to me by my mentor. Way before the Internet.

    I tried to get Open G to sound as good as possible with my three S's ...
    Slide / Strings / Set Up.

    Today...
    I knew that I was ready for T-Tuning .
    The clouds parted and Angel's appeared. T-Tuning the B string, everything fell into .place
     
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  9. FenderGyrl

    FenderGyrl Friend of Leo's

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    Stuff I have learned over the years:

    Eddie Van Halen used T-Tuning in his early recordings. His B String.
    Search some old articles....
    they allude to this =

    In between all the other BS...
    Power Soaks, yadda Yadda YADDA.

    T-Tuning, not to be confused with the D-Tuna he invented.
     
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  10. Geoff738

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    Do you do all your guitars in tempered tuning? Or just this one for slide. I know about the James Taylor one but have never tried it.

    Cheers,
    Geoff
     
  11. FenderGyrl

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    Open F
    12 String Fender
    Tried using a Tuner on my 6 string set up in Open F...close but no cigar.
    Tempered Tuning...that's the Ticket.
    Hell...even Open A Pagey...
    In My Tme Of Dying...
    Needs tempered tuning. Use a tuner precisely ...close but just missing something.
    T-Tuned Open A = Slide Valhalla
     
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  12. FenderGyrl

    FenderGyrl Friend of Leo's

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    All of my Slide Guitars... I have a Strat in regular tuning that is tweaked I'll explain below.
     
  13. FenderGyrl

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    David Gilmour...
    Where to even start...
    The man is an encyclopedia of anything that has strings.

    From the Meddle Album...
    Fearless...
    The slide in San Tropez ...
     
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  14. FenderGyrl

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    Lastly...
    A variation of something.
    Tommy Bolin fan here...
    For years... learning Bolin songs.
    Got the Rhythm Guitar parts down.
    Work on leads ... grrrrr...
    Just not right... try different areas of the neck. Some parts sound good...but still off. C'mon...Tommy's leads were pentatonic and angular.
    Yeah... he fused jazz into his stuff.
    Yeah... he liked classical stuff.

    How to get into Tommy Bolins mind?

    I know...get Billy Cobhams SPECTRUM ALBUM.
    Surely that would get me to Bolin Nirvana. Jeff Beck loved it and went Jazz ...kind of.

    So I start on Spectrum. Still frustrated. Maybe because its jazz...and I'm not worthy. I decide to forgo the Rhythm start on the leads. Tune guitar to the CD. Yeah...this is working. Till I tried to start playing the Rythym parts. WTH?

    Then it hits me. Maybe, just maybe Tommy was tempered tuning?
    BUT ONLY HIS LEAD GUITAR PARTS?
    Nah..it couldn't be that simple.

    Went to Tommy's Solo album's. Started with my guitar tuned Perfect.
    Play along...chords. All good. Leads...meh.
    Retune to match the leads...everything is a micron lower. Just a kiss lower.
    Cue the CD...start in on my own leads where there aren't any on the CD...
    Viola!!!! I'm in Tommy Bolin zone!@@!
    No matter what simple pentatonic pattern or scale I used just had that TB thing...hard to describe.

    So, did Tommy fall into his signature style by accident? No tuners back then?
    Did he purposely continue this in the studio? I think he did.
    Did he INTENTIONALLY do this? Possibly, he was pretty savvy. Only Tommy knows.

    I use this trick often. Try it sometime.
    It's pretty cool.
    Although it isnt Steve Vai approved !!!!
    I guess he takes issue that the original Black Sabbath Albums are out if tune !!

    Come to to think of it...
    Tony Iommi tunes down to C and C# :eek:

    Tempered Tuning on Masters of Reality?
    Probably...time to get my early Sabbath on.

    Hoi Polloi indeed.
    :p
     
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  15. bettyseldest

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    Don't really play much slide, though I do have a small collection I have bought over thirty plus years. These days the only slide guitar I perform is "Stuck in the middle with you", played on electric 12 string with the high E pair tuned down to D. For the last few years I have been using one of these slides, as I need to fret as well as play slide, I find I can easily turn it on my finger swap between the two.

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    I tried a pedal steel once, it was like a knitting loom, infact there was more chance of me knitting cashmere out of it than getting any tune out of it!:confused: Memo to myself - stick to what you know!!:rolleyes:
     
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  17. FenderGyrl

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    Yeah...
    I was hell bent to become a Pedal Steel player.
    I had a vintage dbl neck Fender , it was awesome but had pullys and cables . Old School... Had it overhauled.
    It was like rebuilding an airplane. Then learned new ones have rods...no cables. Doh... Found a Shobud Maverick and I rebuilt that one. Only one knee lever. I sort of got ok on that thing. Decided that my Lap Steels were all I needed. I sold the Pedal Steels...then my 8 string lap steels. I kept a few that I rebuilt and still play.

    I liken playing Pedal Steel to Flying a Guitar while Playing a Helicopter.:confused::twisted::lol:

    I wanted to be Sneaky Pete from The Flying Burrito Brothers.
     
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    Nice!

    Post some videos of you playing it
    I'd love to hear it!
     
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  19. Flaneur

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    Nice work, FG.

    Folks think that slide players just use any old broken necked guitar, put on fat strings and hike up the action....then just wail away.

    We have preferences, too. And Lore. And bits of uncontrolled OCD.

    :cool:

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  20. scottser

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    My most favoritest guitar sound ever is the slide on howlin wolf's 'highway 49'. My most favouritest thing to play on slide is muddy waters 'I can't be satisfied'.
    I use my pinky for slide though, it allows me to fret with the other three fingers.
     
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