Finished My New Tele Project (Experiment)

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  1. tdowns

    tdowns Former Member

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    Some of you may know I like to experiment with installing a middle pickup in a Tele (did my first 20 years ago). I finally did something I had been wanting to do for quite a while. The Tele is my big love of course, but I like to get a Strat tone for versatility at times. All of my middle pickup Teles are close but don't have the true Strat "Quack" (the comb filter effect of 2 pickups blended together resulting in nulls in the frequency spectrum). I knew the bridge pickup slant of a Tele and Strat differ. The Strat bridge pickup slant is about 10 degrees and the Tele bridge pickup is slanted about 17 degrees. So, I decided to slant the middle pickup to match the pole piece spacing of a Strat. I was quite pleased as I got more Strat quack than ever, especially on strings 3-6.

    The blend knob allows the middle to be mixed to the bridge (or neck) to achieve the "Brent" mode. The blend pot is in rheostat mode backwards to achieve more control and be less senstitive to movement.

    I thought I would share and open the discussion and welcome flames.

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    Pickup area closeup

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    Compensated middle pickup geometry

    A little info about the guitar
    • Blue transparent alder body (4.6 lbs)
    • 50s Fender maple neck - 7.25R - U contour
    • All Seymour Duncan - Vintage Tele Stacks, Classic Strat Stack
    • 5 way pickup switch
    • Concentric pot - Tone on Neck pu only - Blend of middle pu to output (positions 1 and 5 only)
    • Volume - 250K push/pull middle pickup series vs. parallel wiring
    • White pearloid pickguard - pu adjustments in body
     
  2. teleduster

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    Terry;

    Does that pickup get in the way of your pick?
     
  3. Loobs

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    Really nice.
     
  4. pirana

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    That's a cool little axe you got there. I don't think i've ever seen an alder body finished in trans blue. Is that the Reranch trans blue?
     
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    maestrovert Poster Extraordinaire

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    COOL!

    Nice job there T.
    you noted the relationship between the middle and bridge Pups, but i'm just wonderin' bout how the middle sounds in relation to the neck Pup ?
     
  6. Eric Karonen

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    Terry:

    That's an interesting approach to getting a strat sound out of a tele. I've got the conventional three pu configuration with an added toggle switch, and as you note, it doesn't quite capture the strat quack - close, but not that close.

    Any chance you could post some soundbytes of your new tele? There's probably a lot of people here who would love to hear how it sounds.

    Thanks,

    Eric
     
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    The word 'qauck' to describe a strat tone seems totally alien to me, as does all onomatopoeic language to describe guitar tone, lol.
     
  8. moonshiner

    moonshiner Friend of Leo's

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    She looks mighty purdy..

    On my Nashville, I lowered the middle pickup so that the top was flush with the pickguard and... holy quack-city batman... It's an idea...

    But man... that looks sweet... GAAASSS
     
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    terry you always come up with the most fascinating ideas. that's a really interesting take on that situation. BTW the guitar looks great too.
    johnny atomic
     
  10. tdowns

    tdowns Former Member

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    Thanks for the responses.

    No, I guess I never noticed.

    Nope



    The middle and neck is not quite as Strattish as the bridge-middle combination. The slant seems to help the middle-bridge combination most.

    I can do that, and I plan on it sometime this weekend.

    I tried to describe it as the comb filter effect of 2 pickups blended together resulting in nulls in the frequency spectrum

    I my experience the relative amplitudes (Pickup height and blending) make the nulls in the spectrum deeper, but the position determines where the null frequencies are. I'll try to find time to post analysis plots of that. So, in your case you may have found a better amplitude match to your other pickup. Another note: my pickups appear high, but the neck is shimmed, so everything is a little high.

    Thanks Johnny :)
     
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    Here is a MP3 demo of the guitar per request. It's just the guitar plugged into a Line 6 POD into the computer. It samples the pickups like this:

    1. Bridge with just a little middle blended in
    2. Bridge and middle
    3. Middle and Bridge
    4. Neck

    I didn't select the middle pickup alone.

    Blue Tele Demo
     
  12. Johnny Isaacs

    Johnny Isaacs Tele-Afflicted

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    WOOOOHOOOO!

    Man 0 Man Terry D - Great stuff! Not only great looking Tele, but that clip sounds great too!

    Congrats!

    Johnny Isaacs
     
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    YEPPER!

    Sounds great & looks reeeeeal cool too! 8)

    Good goin' Terry!
    Redd
     
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    I saw this this morning thanks to an email from BW....that's a cool deal! I dig the way it sounds. I play a S style guitar also (when I ain't Tele picken) I've never noticed the middle pup getting in the way, dought this'n would. I like the way the adjustment screws ain't visible. Looks great, sounds great, good picken!
     
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    <li>Terry, I haff did this in several variations over the years. Knott tew sure I got the "Degrees" rite but as I gaze at that beautiful thang I wunner-------
    <li>Did yew mount that middow P/U with reverse polarity of the mag-a-nutes tew the neck and lead?
    <li>I haff found in my spear-mints that it really enhances that "Strat quack" whence yew dew use reverse polarity mag-a-nutes with the same winding direction as the neck and lead.
    <li>Course reverse windin will haff an affect/effect also but sumetimes tew much.
    <li>Nice job yew rascal!!

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  16. J-man

    J-man Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    Wow that thing sounds incredible! :eek:
    I love the finish too!

    **Puts jealousy hat on and sulks**
     
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    Great job. Very pro.
     
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    Thats a beautiful Tele!! I mean, really really great looking! And it sounds awesome. What kind of amp are you using?

    joe
     
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    He says he's using a line 6 POD into his computer. :)
     
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    Doh!! I'm really tired right now, I hate over-time at work :D
     
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