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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by televillian, Apr 5, 2020.
anyone else like old B&W whodunits ?
The Maltese Falcon
Ministry Of Fear
3 of my favorites.
I'll also point out Psycho is a noir - for the first 40 minutes or so.
after that, it gives birth to the modern horror movie.
You bet! Most of Bogie’s filmography.
The Thin Man- William Powell, Myrna Loy
Mr. Moto- Peter Lorre
Charlie Chan- Warner Oland/Sidney Toler.
Dick Tracy series
blade runner, classic film noir... someday...
I love Dashiell Hammett...
@thunderbyrd have you read the book "Nightmare Alley"? Even better than the movie.
The Night of the Hunter
The Big Sleep
I'll also add Rear Window - but I'm not sure it is considered film noir.
Noir Alley on TCM every Saturday night.
Eddie knows his Bums, Babes, and Bullets.
no! I did not know it was based on a novel. It's going on the list!
1946, William Lindsay Gresham. One place to find it is in a really excellent Noir anthology that is one of the volumes of The Library Of America. Chock full:
The Las Vegas Story
Bob le flambeur (and other Melville)
Hammett's "The Maltese Falcon" has been on my mind lately, specifically a digression in the book -- not in the film version(s) of "The Maltese Falcon" (the Bogie version is the third screen version) -- known as "The Flitcraft Parable." It's about a man who narrowly avoids being killed by a beam falling from a construction site. He's so unnerved, he decides to abandon his life -- wife, kids, job -- and change everything. Spade is hired to track him down. When he finally finds him, he discovers that he has moved to a new town and taken a new name, but he's got a job, wife and family situation that's virtually identical to the one he had before. "He adjusted himself to beams falling, and then no more of them fell, and he adjusted himself to them not falling." This is what I think about when people ask if life will ever be the same again after this coronavirus thing is all over with.
I've read a fair amount of Hammett and I like his stuff okay, but it really feels old, with one foot almost stretching back into the 1800s, in a way that Raymond Chander's work doesn't. I've read all of Chandler writings. For noir literature, I also love James Cain and, for relatively more modern authors, Charles Willeford, who can be absolutely brutal. Willeford's most brutal work is "Grimhaven," his unpublished sequel to "Miami Blues," his most successful novel and the first in a series of books that would've stopped at two if "Grimhaven" had been published. My favorite is probably one of his early novels, "The Woman Chaser." The new movie co-starring Mick Jagger, "The Burnt Orange Heresy," is an adaptation of a Willeford novel.
I enjoyed that connection.
I know a lot of people who remarry after a divorce almost the same person but younger and they 'redo' their families only to discover... it is just 'them'.
This period can be, for the survivors, a period of reinvention and creation and a great thing. It will probably be a mirror and what we see in it, is what we see of ourselves.
As far as film noir... People have mentioned some good ones here. Ones not mentioned that I love...
"Ace in the Hole" (aka "The Big Carnival"), starring Kirk Douglas. It was Billy Wilder's follow-up to "Sunset Boulevard." When I told Kirk Douglas I had the poster for the movie hanging in my living room, he said, "That movie has balls!"
"Farewell, My Lovely," starring Robert Mitchum. IMHO, Mitchum is infinitely better as Philip Marlowe than Bogie is. Released in 1975, it's pretty clear that this happened because of "Chinatown," but I love it. They made a semi-sequel with Mitchum in 1978, a new version of "The Big Sleep." It's very faithful to the book, except they updated the setting to modern day England! But that's not its biggest problem. Mitchum is now too old for the part and there's something off with the style and the tone -- it just doesn't work.
Absolutely. It's one of the main reasons we have cable TV.
Welllll... not really noir. None of those.
Another favorite I just remembered - Witness For The Prosecution.