Fifty six years ago today Neil and Buzz landed in the Arizona desert, uhhh the surface of the moon

[Mjark]

This is sad.

 

[burntfrijoles]

Read ‘Dark Moon, you may think twice about some of it

No I won't. Conspiracy theories are easily constructed. Their authors are to the body of knowledge what Milli Vanilli was to music.
We are inundated with them and gullible people love to embrace them.

 

[buster poser]

Buzz Aldrin's second best landing...
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If you've never seen it, this is the result of Buzz Aldrin's constantly being harassed by an idiot. He's 72 here and it looks like the guy's being hit by a pro boxer.

I remember this well, love re-reading about it now and again.

I met him once about a dozen years prior when I was a little E-1 at Chanute AFB in Illinois. He could not have been more gracious, probably shook 500 Airman Basic hands that day and was warm with all of us.

Good on you Buzz.

Bart Sibrel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Aldrin incident​

One confrontational incident involved Apollo 11 crew member Buzz Aldrin. Earlier, Sibrel had interviewed Aldrin in a hotel room for his film Astronauts Gone Wild. In that interview, Sibrel confronted Aldrin with purported newly discovered footage from the Apollo 11 mission, to which Aldrin replied: "Well, you're talking to the wrong guy! Why don't you talk to the administrator at NASA? We were passengers, we're guys going on a flight."[14] Sibrel refers, in post hoc interviews, to two confrontations with Aldrin prior to the one that resulted in his being punched.[5]

Regarding the subsequent interaction, occurring on September 9, 2002,[5] the BBC reported that witnesses came forward to the police with jurisdiction, the Beverly Hills Police Department, stating: "Mr Sibrel...lured Mr Aldrin to the hotel under false pretences in order to interview him."[4] By Aldrin's account, he went to the Beverly Hills hotel on that date under the pretext of an interview on space for a Japanese children's television show.[5] At the time, Aldrin was aged 72 and Sibrel was aged 37.[5]

Sibrel attempted on-camera to coerce Aldrin to swear an oath on a Bible that he had been on the Moon.[5] Witnesses came forward to the police indicating that "Sibrel had aggressively poked Mr Aldrin with the Bible".[4] When Aldrin refused Sibrel's request, Sibrel followed him, Still being recorded by Sibrel's camera crew, saying: "You're the one who said you walked on the Moon when you didn't."[14] Aldrin responded with "Will you get away from me?" — when Sibrel now called him 'a coward, a liar and a thief', Aldrin punched Sibrel in the jaw.[4][5][15]

On the day following the altercation, a statement from a lawyer for Aldrin described the "6-foot-2, 250-pound [1.88 m, 113 kg] Sibrel forc[ing] Aldrin up against a wall and refus[ing] to let him leave", thus making the case for self-defense.[5] Aldrin made the case to police that he had been attempting to defend "himself and his stepdaughter, who was with him at the time".[4]

Sibrel gave the tape to the police,[4] apparently alleging assault. The incident received significant publicity, with many television talk shows airing the clip, usually supporting Aldrin's action. Shortly after the altercation, Sibrel told the St. Petersburg Times: "[Aldrin] has a good punch. It was quick, too. I didn't see it coming."[5]

As described by Eric Spitznagel for Popular Mechanics, since "witnesses testified that Sibrel had provoked [Aldrin], assault charges against the former astronaut were dropped".[3] Police either did not file or dropped charges based on Aldrin's lack of a prior criminal record, witness accounts of Sibrel's having drawn Aldrin to the hotel under false pretenses, Sibrel's aggressiveness before the punch, and his having declined to seek medical attention and sustaining "no visible injury".[4][3]

 

[Frodebro]

What’s not plausible are closed mouths.

Especially really smart people who think they’re actually helping a manned rocket to get to the moon.

You don’t think those people figure it out somehow, and only the higher-ups/those in power know the fix is in ?

The scientists, physicists, engineers are smart, they’re problem-solvers, and some general or cabinet official is going to pull the wool over their eyes?

And if someone figured it out or dozens of people figured it out, how are you gonna keep them quiet?

“Plausible ways to do it, plausible reasons for doing it“

Fine but once again, what’s the plausible way to make sure people , as Fred Sanford would say, “dummy up !” ?

The one thing a conspiracy theory wants no part of is an inconvenient truth.

Everybody who knew the truth died when the Titanic went down. But nobody ever questioned that amazing coincidence.

 

[dkmw]

I know too many people directly involved with those adventures to even joke or allow for nonsense. The moon landing is as real as the DDay landing.

Anyone who even ponders different gets a spot on my 'kook list'

Same here.

 

[getbent]

There are people out there who sincerely believe that anything beyond their own comprehension is impossible. You could say they aren’t exactly rocket scientists…

they are kooks.

I have family and some 'friends' that are kooks. When asked, I say, 'you are a kook'

No room given to entertain kooks ideas. Kooks themselves are fairly harmless, just too bad that they choose to be kooks.

Being a kook is contagious, it is attractive to the frustrated, the insecure and not super bright crowd... which is not a small group.

 

[Ed Driscoll]

Everybody who knew the truth died when the Titanic went down. But nobody ever questioned that amazing coincidence.

Thankfully, all of the women, children, Red Indians, spacemen and a sort of idealized version of complete Renaissance Men were able to escape the sinking.

 

[Frodebro]

they are kooks.

I have family and some 'friends' that are kooks. When asked, I say, 'you are a kook'

No room given to entertain kooks ideas. Kooks themselves are fairly harmless, just too bad that they choose to be kooks.

Being a kook is contagious, it is attractive to the frustrated, the insecure and not super bright crowd... which is not a small group.

Kooks are not harmless, though. They drive, they breed, and they vote.

 

[Lockback]

Buzz Aldrin's second best landing...
View attachment 1396705
If you've never seen it, this is the result of Buzz Aldrin's constantly being harassed by an idiot. He's 72 here and it looks like the guy's being hit by a pro boxer.

BOOM!!!!
I remember the moon landing well. I was 16 and it had a profound effect on me. To this day, I think Neil Armstrong is one of the greatest Americans to ever live: humble, tough, talented, a man of few words but immensely intelligent.

 

[Honga Man]

I believe because I saw it on TV!

Or, at least, that what my parents told me. I was a little more than a year old, but they had me in front of their 19" black & white TV to watch it with them.

 

[getbent]

Kooks are not harmless, though. They drive, they breed, and they vote.

true. I just try to be kind, since I know that debating a kook is a waste of time and calling them out makes them want to debate. I'd rather call them harmless and avoid THAT whole interaction.

Like a lot of you, I have to deal with kooks regularly and it is not my favorite thing. As you say, they are many.

 

[Lockback]

This is pretty interesting ...

 

[bumnote]

Like a lot of you, I have to deal with kooks regularly and it is not my favorite thing. As you say, they are many.

I spent decades in the television and news industry. Omitting politics in all forms, I could still fill pages of the shear lunacy I either saw because of the job or directly dealt with from colleagues. Weather machines, magical pollution free machines, UFOs, etc. I never bothered debating idiocy, sometimes it's not wise to debate corporate suits or on air personalities.
It's why I like threads like this...I don't want to hear it but, I do enjoy making fun of it.

 

[Swirling Snow]

The Soviets would have known if the transmissions from the astronauts were coming from anywhere other than where they were supposed to be, which is one of the easiest points to make. And they were also tracking the rocket.

Ahh, but the Soviets agreed to go along with the hoax if we shared all the data from the Moon with them and gave them a couple of rocks.

 

[Buckocaster51]

Sorry, I didn’t have time to read this

I am alphabetizing my stash of Red Mercury this weekend

 

[chezdeluxe]

And another member has qualified for my ignore list

 

[Toto'sDad]

true. I just try to be kind, since I know that debating a kook is a waste of time and calling them out makes them want to debate. I'd rather call them harmless and avoid THAT whole interaction.

Like a lot of you, I have to deal with kooks regularly and it is not my favorite thing. As you say, they are many.

One of the great things about being retired is I am no longer under any obligation to listen to anyone I don't want to. If I don't like what I'm hearing from someone, I simply walk away, no excuses for why I'm leaving, no explanation of any kind, just gone. Some would probably classify this as kook behavior, but I don't care, and I'm not interested in anyone else's opinion anyway.

 

[getbent]

And another member has qualified for my ignore list

I think I have 3 people on mine, all nice enough, but kooks.

they won't miss me, and... I do not miss them. When I was a mod that was the hardest part, you could not have people on your ignore list.

 

[Frodebro]

I think I have 3 people on mine, all nice enough, but kooks.

they won't miss me, and... I do not miss them. When I was a mod that was the hardest part, you could not have people on your ignore list.

Flip side is that people couldn’t put you on their ignore list, either….

 

[getbent]

Flip side is that people couldn’t put you on their ignore list, either….

too true!