Gotta say, +1 on the Champ 12 (I know, OD channel is caca w/out mods, but who seeks Fender for it's drive channels?!?) BUT as an admittedly bias (amp pun intended) owner of a red knob "The Twin", it KILLS me the sheer volume of misinformation floating on the boards. I've actually seen (not here) 'senior members' casually dismiss them with comments like "anything w/red knobs are all solid state I think'!?! They're cork-sniffer-y, or lack of interest beyond their own Tweeds, or Black/Brown etc Face amps is disturbing. They're also often refered to as "Evil Twins", or being from the "Rivera Era" they are neither. Having lived with one (and a bone stock 76 Silverface Twin) for awhile now, I'm still learning new ways to utilize this amazingly versatile amp. With all the avail. settings, the cleans are as Fender as it gets, the spectrum of tones is very broad, they pair perfectly with any guitar/pickup config you throw at them, dead quiet, CAN be played at a reasonable home volume (esp. using pedal level as pseudo attenuator if bedroom vol. is needed), take pedals EXTREMELY well, and if you want loud, brother they can make the paint peel and the dishes shoot off the shelf. And they're rock-solid reliable. I'm the second owner of mine, and had long conv. with original owner, never needed servicing of any type when he lived with it, and none since. Granted, it's not a Blackface, Tweed etc., but what is? When I run it in stereo w/my 76, you'd have to pry me outta my chair before I'd walk away from that setup voluntarily. Great, great amps, and cheap as hell. Browse GC website's used section, (with no location restrictions set, they'll transfer to any store), and you'll find 'em all day for sub 500 for a moderately worn example, and not much more for pristine; for now. As with anything Fender, or Gibson etc., as we get further away from their date of issue, and more people figure this myth out, they'll start climbing. Seeing Robben Ford and many many other respected players using them woven into their touring rigs doesn't help keep prices down either. Heck, I remember when SFs were scoffed at, and could be had at similar prices, now they're reissuing those; and their prices are escalating more and more every year. Wow, didn’t mean to get all defens-o there! Oh well, maybe someone will take a second look at one of these gems after reading this, and I’ll bet they’ll be glad they did; even if they start out trying one just to disprove my contentions, my guess is if you’re honest, and go in with an open mind, you’ll find similar results.