Fender Tone Master Super Vs. Tone Master Twin Blonde : A Comparison

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  1. Mike M

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    I am spending the weekend A/Bing between a Blonde Tone Master Twin a friend lent me, and a New Super Twin Tone Master I just bought. Posting on this forum as well as some others

    Disclaimer: All thoughts subjective, of course.

    Tone Master Super Vs. Tone Master Twin Blonde (Cleans)

    To match the same level of fullness, you have to turn the Twin a level, or level and a half higher that the Super. If you have the Super on 4, you need to turn the Twin up to 5 or 5 and 1/2 to get the same level of volume and fullness.

    So far, liking the tone better on the Super as well, and have duplicated the same EQ settings on both. Also, the Reverb seems better on the Super, but wonder if that is because it has more speakers?

    Of course both amps have different speakers (the Blonde has G12 Neo Creamback, the Super has Jensen P10R alnico), so not sure how to factor that into the equation, and so far only been playing clean, (heard the Creambacks come into their own with more distortion).

    So far I played clean at 1 Watt and 5 watt setting with a Tele, 335, Strat, and Casino.

    Tone Master Super Vs. Tone Master Twin Blonde (Distortion)



    While I thought the Super had a better, cleaner, fuller sound, the Twin might have a slight edge when taking dirt pedals. I had both EQ's set at 6 for Bass. Middle, and Treble.

    I have run a Tele, Strat, 335, and Casino through a Jackson Audio Prism (boost), Strymon Deco (tape saturation) and Danelectro Roebuck (mosfet clone), separately, and sometimes in combination.

    The Twin seems to give a more pleasant tone, with the frequencies more evened out . The Super seems to be bass heavy, and slightly muddy in the low end. I can even it out by taking the Bass down to 5 and 4, but I think the Twin still slightly out performs the Super in this area.

    I ran this test both at the 1 watt, and 5 watt settings. The differences were much less pronounced at the 5 watt setting, than at the 1 watt setting, and might become more unnoticeable as you increase the wattage.

    The Super is not bad, just the Twin "slightly" better. This might be where the Creambacks in the Blonde Twin come into their own.

    Will update more as I get the chance.


    While I have owned a blackface 65 Super years ago (40 years ago), this Tone Master is the first "Twin" I have ever played. Would love to hear anyone's opinions who have had both real tube versions.
     
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    Holy macarel, I am glad you like the twin. I love mine. So I am not dumb and tonedeaf.
     
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    A Twin vs. a Super at 1W and 5W settings. You lost me.
    How about at volumes our forefathers designed the originals to operate at? Same thing, just louder? I think the speakers will figure more into the equation at a gig volume.
     
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    I'm mostly a home player, and rarely play above 1 or the 5 watt setting, but agree with you 100%.
     
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    I can only vouch for one of those sir :)
     
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    On my Deluxe i dont like the reverb , seems to have a long tail , or something i dont like , i been using my 65 Fender reverb pedal , and it sounds a lot better , thats about the only thing id like changed on these .
     
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    Home player here, I’ve not once touched the attenuator on my twin

    Rock and roll!
     
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    If you are referring to the Tone Master Deluxe, highly recommend the Reverb mod, it graduals out the Reverb. Before it came on too quickly, couldn't go above 3 or 4, now usable till 8 or 9.

    https://fendercustomersupport.microsoftcrmportals.com/en-us/knowledgebase/article/KA-01919

    Recommend the other mod with the bright cap as well, it allows it take pedals much better
     
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    Are these mods easily reversible/can you reset it to stock?

    I’m happy with my twin how it is, I’m one of those people that’s paranoid that if I “upgrade” it the amp won’t sound the same or be too did

    I’ve thought about trying it out but am hesitant
     
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    Yes, you can go easily back. They call those the "Vintage Specs"

    If you have Twin, you just need the Reverb mod since it has the Bright Switch Switch

    https://fendercustomersupport.microsoftcrmportals.com/en-us/knowledgebase/article/KA-01918
     
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    I did the reverb-upgrade a while ago. Very good and highly recommend
     
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    Did it take the long tail off the reverb ? Thanks .
     
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    It makes the turn on the Reverb Dial very gradual.

    Before I couldn't play above 4, now its usable to the end of the dial, and very easy to dial in what you want.
    Highly highly recommended, a total game changer on the reverb.
     
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    Never mind, others have alaready chimed in!
     
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    I’ve got the black Deluxe and black Twin. I’ve had the Deluxe since it came out. I just bought the Twin used.

    Lately, I’ve been practicing with the Twin attenuator on 1 watt and experimenting with some pedals. I took it to the last gig and set it on 22 watts for sound check, but snuck it back up to full as the night went on.

    Honestly, I like the Deluxe just as much. I’ve gigged it more. But the Twin has a bright switch, a mid control, more power, and two speakers, so it may get the call in the future.
     
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    A tube Super Reverb can quickly get flubby in the bass. I usually have it set to around 2 or 3. So maybe the Tonemaster is a good emulation.
     
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    Interesting, thx
     
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    The guys at fender really know things fender
     
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    What are those references in BOLD above supposed to do for us ?
     
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    Excite you with their boldness! :)

    Was just using the bold to separate the clean trial from the distorted trial.
     
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