benadrian
Tele-Meister
Yep. I just looked at the schematic.
There is an op amp to act as a buffer/line driver for the effect loop, which is bypassed if nothing is plugged into the power amp in jack.
The rest is for channel switching, etc.
Ben
Fender Supersonic Club
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Yep. I just looked at the schematic.
There is an op amp to act as a buffer/line driver for the effect loop, which is bypassed if nothing is plugged into the power amp in jack.
The rest is for channel switching, etc.
Ben
teleclarkster
Tele-Holic
I was at a Greg Koch Fender clinic recently and he pitching the Supersonic. He really made it sound good. He used the footswitchable effects loop to great advantage. He plugged in a patch cable from the out to the in of the loop and dialed up a little gain. He just kicked in the effects loop and got the boost he needed. No need for any other pedals. Nice trick.
If I was in the market for a modern amp, I would certainly look hard at on of these. They're nice looking too!
If I was in the market for a modern amp, I would certainly look hard at on of these. They're nice looking too!
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I can't read a schematic, but I read that the fx loop is actually buffered by 2 tube stages...?
Here's the tube assignment, as I understand it:
V1 –12AX7- V1A is the input stage, V1B is the first gain stage of the drive channel (between gain1 and gain2)
V2 -12AX7- Used in the Clean channel. V2A is the usual BF-type post tonestack/volume stage. after that, there is the preshaping filter (part of the Vibrolux/Bassman-switching) followed by V2B as a buffer stage
V3 -12AX7- Used in the Burn channel as second (V3A) and third (V3B) gain stage, followed by the tone stack and master volume
V4 -12AX7- V4A is a buffer stage after the switching relay between clean and burn. V4B is the effects loop send buffer stage
V5 -12AX7-Effects Loop - V5A is the effects loop return buffer stage, V5B is the reverb mixer stage
V6 12AT7 Phase Inverter
V7 6L6GC Power Section
V8 6L6GC Power Section
V9 12AT7 - Reverb send stage
V10 12AX7 - Reverb makeup/buffer
That Greg Koch demo is a big reason I bought a Supersonic:
hmm... for some reason the youtube embed isn't working. Here's the link:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kqWvw9QmxsQ
hmm... for some reason the youtube embed isn't working. Here's the link:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kqWvw9QmxsQ
benadrian
Tele-Meister
you're right!
I was looking at the pre-amp out/power amp in section. The preamp out has an op amp line driver.
Thanks for the correction!
Ben
So, apparently we are back to "ALL-TUBE" 
...WITH CHROME TILT-BACK LEGS!! (right Big John?)
...WITH CHROME TILT-BACK LEGS!! (right Big John?)
Big John
RIP
Yeeeeaahh, those legs .............
S'funny, something i always associate with the words 'Fender amp' are the chrome tilt back legs and the various chrome pieces of hardware used to fix a head and cab together. (Legs and piggyback --- heaven !).
I used to have a DualShowman and the two nuts used to secure it to the cabinet were like the controls off a Tele ... but with a serious knurl !!
So here it is , just waiting for another good thrash at the weekend, i'm looking forward to it already, just a thought after what you and Octatonic were saying ........ do you reckon we could shoe horn a pair of 10"s in there ?
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S'funny, something i always associate with the words 'Fender amp' are the chrome tilt back legs and the various chrome pieces of hardware used to fix a head and cab together. (Legs and piggyback --- heaven !).
I used to have a DualShowman and the two nuts used to secure it to the cabinet were like the controls off a Tele ... but with a serious knurl !!
So here it is , just waiting for another good thrash at the weekend, i'm looking forward to it already, just a thought after what you and Octatonic were saying ........ do you reckon we could shoe horn a pair of 10"s in there ?
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benadrian
Tele-Meister
So, apparently we are back to "ALL-TUBE"
...WITH CHROME TILT-BACK LEGS!! (right Big John?)
The Super Sonic is a cool amp design. I'd like to see it with trem. Oh, and I don't really need the loop. you know what, the drive channel is cool, but I don't know how much I need that much gain. I do like the tilt back legs. And let's make the reverb more blackface sounding please.
Oh wait, now I just have my amp
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EVIL CACKLE!!!
You know, as much as I dig the tilt back legs, it basically just beams the amp right into my ear.
Ben Adrian
There's alot of room in that baffle... if 2x10's DID fit, I bet it'd be tight.
And I'm all for adding trem- as long as it's bias-vary (browface) and not opto-coupler (blackface.)
And I'm all for adding trem- as long as it's bias-vary (browface) and not opto-coupler (blackface.)
Big John
RIP
So ruger9, did you get the power tubes ?, what was the result of the bias check ?
I have been working mine regularly and loving every minute, only thing i have noticed is that it is getting noisier (pre-amp tube i guess) and it seems to like to run quite hot but thats about all.
Sometimes it does seem a bit over powered but all in all it's controllable and (for me) sounds like a Fender ............ i am still wondering about JJ's though .....
Hmmmmmm
I have been working mine regularly and loving every minute, only thing i have noticed is that it is getting noisier (pre-amp tube i guess) and it seems to like to run quite hot but thats about all.
Sometimes it does seem a bit over powered but all in all it's controllable and (for me) sounds like a Fender ............ i am still wondering about JJ's though .....
Hmmmmmm
My bias was a bit low at 29, I biased by ear up into the factory range of 31-33, but honestly I could hear much difference in such a small adjustment.
The TADs are in. Definitely an improvement over the stock tubes. Not a huge diference, but enough for me. Warmer & rounder. Dontchya just love these "tone terms" we all use?!?!
The TADs are in. Definitely an improvement over the stock tubes. Not a huge diference, but enough for me. Warmer & rounder. Dontchya just love these "tone terms" we all use?!?!
Pete Gorilla
Tele-Meister
May I join to the club?
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Big John
RIP
Welcome aboard Pete !!, now remember, when all the snobs and 'experts' whine about the SS, (wrong tubes, bad sound, lousy name, not a copy of an old Fender etc etc etc) we smart folk know they are wrong.
That Tele looks mighty cool too !
Pete Gorilla
Tele-Meister
Welcome aboard Pete !!, now remember, when all the snobs and 'experts' whine about the SS, (wrong tubes, bad sound, lousy name, not a copy of an old Fender etc etc etc) we smart folk know they are wrong.
That Tele looks mighty cool too !
The only thing I did, I replaced the red tubes to blue, because I perfer that kind of overdrive sound.
I know, they are WRONG!
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PraiseCaster
Poster Extraordinaire
Well, I dont own one, but I admire them a lot, and if I was gigging/on the road, I would have one with me. It is simply amazing, the tonal variations you can get out of that one "non-DSP", "non-solid state", "non-digital modeling" amp!
I am impressed, and glad you guys are so happy with it!
By the way, I love the Bassman and Vintage tones out of it, and going vintage gain just makes me
I am impressed, and glad you guys are so happy with it!
By the way, I love the Bassman and Vintage tones out of it, and going vintage gain just makes me
Pete Gorilla
Tele-Meister
I just bought the used Fender Super-Sonic combo, with some Sovtek 6L6 tubes. I want to put Fender GT6L6 (Blue) into the amp. I know, that the amp originally comes with red, but I need lots of overdrive from the blue tubes, just like I have it in my Hot Rod Deluxe.
I am just wondering that I need to re-bias my amp, or not. Any idea?
I am just wondering that I need to re-bias my amp, or not. Any idea?
Big John
RIP
Checking the bias won't hurt, you can see what's going on with the Sovteks, a re-bias might help you getting the overdrive you want
FWIW mine is a new one and the tubes are just GT 6L6's with white ink on them and don't know what the difference is other than cosmetics.
FWIW mine is a new one and the tubes are just GT 6L6's with white ink on them and don't know what the difference is other than cosmetics.
Pete Gorilla
Tele-Meister
Sound samples
Here is some sound samples I did with the sonic. First is the burn channel for my psychobilly project, and secondly the clean bassman chanel for rockabilly and so on.
(This is with a 1997 Gretsch 6120)
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Here is some sound samples I did with the sonic. First is the burn channel for my psychobilly project, and secondly the clean bassman chanel for rockabilly and so on.
(This is with a 1997 Gretsch 6120)
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Nice samples Pete! I like the Bassman better than the burn in your clips...
Now I know what a 6120 sounds like thru the SS Bassman channel. NICE!
Now I know what a 6120 sounds like thru the SS Bassman channel. NICE!
Pete Gorilla
Tele-Meister
Thank you!
The burn channel is more a distortion for me, kind of a punk, hard rock sound I need in my band to play dynamic psychobilly. I never really needed the classic fender tube drive sound. I use clean, or preamp tube distortion. So this is the perfect amp for me.
The Brian setzer sound is somewhere between. You can get it to turn the volupe up on the bassman channel, but I never use that sound.
