Fender Baja Tele vs Squier Classic Vibe 50's Tele

Discussion in 'Telecaster Discussion Forum' started by Johnnyseven, Mar 19, 2015.

  1. Downsman

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    I own both and would say they're very different guitars, but both very good. I ended up giving my Cv 50 to my daughter as I was shopping around for a cheaper guitar for her to start learning on when I came across a Baja, and decided to buy it for myself.

    I love the Baja neck and the 4 way switch and prefer the pickups. But I loved my CV 50 before I found the Baja and certainly won't knock it. As Boris says the necks are so different you're bound to have a strong view on which you prefer.

    Bajas turn up fairly often on eBay and Gumtree around £400-450. The CV 50s usually for around £200. Or if you want new, check out Thomann.de. The Euro is very weak right now and there are some bargains to be had on there.
     
  2. Johnnyseven

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    Thanks for all advice. I've been looking at Thomann, the only problem is that trying before buying isn't possible. I think i'll try and get down to Regent Sounds over the weekend and test both models.
     
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    Yes, you'll definitely want to try them out first, and figure out best way to buy one second. Though they're both very well made, dependable guitars so would feel confident ordering online. Thomann has a 30 day returns policy in case you get a dud. The Baja's weight is the only real variable. Mine is 7.4lbs but some can hit up to 9. Depends if that's a potential issue for you.
     
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    In that case I won't even try, because by your own admission you won't listen. Nevertheless I possess a DiMarzio-branded Strat seemingly from the early '80s (possibly made by Charvel), which has the slimmest neck I've ever encountered - nut width 41mm (1 19/32") and 18mm (<23/32") deep at the 1st fret. Not for everyone but it suits me. The guitar had been well-used when I bought it in 1998 and has been well-used since. Yet the neck is as stable as a very stable thing, plays wonderfully well and has never required the slightest adjustment.

    My CV50's been well-gigged too and that shows zero signs of deterioration either.

    But of course, there's nothing I can say to convince you... ;) :lol:
     
  5. boris bubbanov

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    What I do know is any guitar is in good hands with you. You're apparently keeping the guitars in optimal atmospheric conditions and playing 'em with great love and care. Which is a very respectful thing to do with any guitar and I commend you for it, sincerely.

    But honestly, do you think the average buyer of a Squier guitar is going to go that way? Based on the rough condition of the used ones I've seen so many of, I just don't think so.

    This reminds me of my old friend Roy, who bought a Fiat Brava (131) brand new and basically kept the car in the same climate controlled environment he lived in. This car, like Dorian Gray, failed to show any signs of age and while this Fiat was driven, it was never commuted, used to run errands, nor taken out in bad weather. Which is to say, even things that tend not to last can be made to last if great pains are taken.
     
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    That's kind of you, but I can't take all the credit. It would be fair to say that here in the south-east of England we don't get extremes of humidity and temperature such as are encountered in other parts of the world. But I bought the Strat I mentioned in Tennessee, where as far as I know it had existed for as long before I acquired it as it has since.

    Anyway, details, details; I see the point you're making but I can only go by my own experience. The CV50 isn't my only Tele; I have six in all and (too) many other electric guitars. I don't baby them particularly but I don't abuse them either.

    Older Fiats, though very good to drive, used to suffer badly here from the dreaded Turin Tinworm. More recently they seem to have improved in that respect.
     
  7. EllenGtrGrl

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    IMO, it comes down to the neck. Do you like the thin neck a Squier CV 50s has? Then go for it, and save yourself a chunk of change. If you want more heft, and pickups that (at least to me) sound like they have more sonic beef, either the 50s or 60s Bajas will do. The 50s Baja has the V-profile neck that some players swear by. The 60s Baja from my personal experience (I have one) is not a modern C profile (I don't like modern C-profile necks at all) - it's more of a chunky C, or a flattened D profile neck. All 3 guitars have hotter pickups than you find in your typical Tele.

    For me, a Baja it was - I prefer their beefier necks.
     
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    I've got a 50s classic vibe and love it and just the other day pulled the trigger on a baja on gumtree and stupidly paid as gift via PayPal as seller said was prepared to post and told me he packed and posted it via my hermes, and guess what ....no guitar and then I get email from gumtree saying he's a scammer!! Am I stupid or what?ive done this with stuff ok numerous times before,but should have known better, so that's £300 down the drain,and won't be able to compare the two :cry:
     
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    You might be able to put a claim in through PayPal and see if you can get your money refunded that way. Worth a try anyhow.
     
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    ha... i love the mazda analogy... but i don't think it's a fair one. many of my friends drive some really ragged old beaters... escorts, kias, saturns, etc... that seem utterly death proof :D

    a guitar, just like that old mazda, is as good as your maintenance on it. my first guitar was a squier standard tele... which was my main player for 2-3 years before it even got a case. the finish held up about as well as you'd expect from a caseless guitar... but the action was great until i sold it a few years ago. i agree with you that skinny necks don't have the same comfort as a chunky U-profile... but stability doesn't seem any different. plenty of old ibanez shredders out there to prove that point
     
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    Can't as I sent as gift
     
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    Baja is made of top quality components that you shouldn't ever need to replace. Not trying to bag on the Squier, but it is a Squier for a reason - one of the ways they saved money was by putting in cheaper parts.

    Having said that I tried my first Baja yesterday. I was very excited because I found one of the Vegas Gold Bajas in my local GC. I've been GASing hard for one since I saw them on the forum a while back. Ended up being very disappointed because I absolutely HATED the neck. I have an '06 American Series Tele with a C shaped neck. It's pretty thin front to back, and it has a satin finish. The Baja has what they call a "soft V" shape. It's thick and to me it felt huge, like I was holding a frickin' log in my hand. So unwieldy for the way I play. On top of that it is covered in gloss poly and felt sticky as hell. My Vegas Gold Baja GAS went away instantly.
     
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    A minute or so with the back of a sponge scouring pad (the side used for cleaning pots) took care of the extra thick poly on the neck for me, giving a nice satin finish, but it's definitely a thick neck which you either love or hate. When I tried the '60s one it was very close to being a Modern C (some say it's a bit thicker than that but I didn't notice). That actually killed off my gas for the Sonic Blue one. Great pickups though.
     
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    I've had my hands on a bunch of each. The Bajas are relatively consistent (except that they came with a thick U shaped neck vs. the V shape for a while), and are really great values. The pickups are pretty good (I don't love them, but I wouldn't say that they automatically need replacement), and the hardware is good as well. With a pickup upgrade, they compare well with a something like a 52RI.

    The CV50s is pretty good for the price, but they're not as consistent, and even with a pickup upgrade, they don't compare to a Baja or 52.
     
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    I owned a maple fretboard baja for a while. I didn't like it. The neck was humungous. The pickups sounded like I was wearing corduroy trousers. The S1 switch made an audible pop even with the volume turned own, who thought that that was a good idea at Fender?
    I tried a CV 50s tele in a shop and thought it was a great guitar. Lovely slim neck. Good basic tele tone.
    I'd go for an esquire if you had more cash rather than a baja as I think all modern teles mostly lack twang anyway compared to the vintage ones or SG juniors of that age.
     
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