Fender 57 RI Champ seems too quiet

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  1. edlouis

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    Just bought one, I wanted to test it before buying online but nowhere in town has one, I read a lot about it beforehand, videos etc. Got it in, Strat in and its almost dead quiet until I put it past 6 also sounds muffled like playing through a wall. Obviously some sound comes out but my strumming is louder or just as loud. It can still get loud at 8-12 but I read people like the cleans anywhere from 3-6. My little roland cube solid state 3w, gets louder half way up. Does anyone think something is wrong with my Champ?
     
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    Are the tubes getting hot? Might check the ohms on the speaker.
     
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    If it's new, return it. If it's used, return it.
     
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    Yes they are definitely warming up and getting hot
     
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    And if he built it himself?

    VOLTAGE CHART TIME!
     
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    Considering it, what a bummer its like a bimbo.
     
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    If you have any extra tubes, you could try swapping a 12ax7 and 6v6 and see if that changes anything. It's always possible it's just a bad tube.

    If it's new, it'll get fixed under warranty, and there's not a lot that can go wrong with one of those.
     
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    Last thing is it normal for there to be like a loud feedback type sound, really unpleasant feeling in my ears when I anything involving G,D strings. Sorry don't have too much experience with amps, been playing my roland and bugera only.
     
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    Your Champ is broken, my friend. Send it back.

    No, it is not normal for brand new equipment not to work.
     
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    calling for a return from sweetwatta tomorrow
     
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    Yes, if you can't get a pretty loud clean tone with the dial around 4-5 then something's not right. It definitely shouldn't sound muffled either.
     
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    Was the box banged up at all? Sweetwater will take care of you.
     
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    An amp is like a bimbo? What the heck are you talking about?
     
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    pretty to look at, kinda lifeless inside. at least mine
     
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    So I may have solved a couple things, maybe my initial frustration clouded thinking. I usually set my pickups pretty low which sounds best on my Bugera, I tried them higher as I remembered they are pretty low output Kleins and that brought the volume up (didn't realize the champ is very sensitive to everything). Also the amp started to sound much clearer after I accidentally used the fat side of the pick, go figure but it opened up the speaker.

    Two things still seem odd, it doesn't break up nicely like on the review videos, sounds like a burp or gargle when cranking it, and the louder it is there's this awful feedback type sound out of many notes that's just really unpleasant on the ears. I called Sweetwater and they told me to talk to a tech to troubleshoot first before they send a return.
     
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    There shouldn't be that much difference between your amps. It sounds like it is defective. Have them send you a new one and compare them.
     
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    It shouldn't be that difficult to get a great sound out of that amp so there must be something wrong with it. Are they getting one of their techs to call you to troubleshoot or are they expecting you to find a tech? If the latter, then I wouldn't accept that.

    Are you able to post a video or sound clips as I'm sure many people here will be able to tell you for sure if something is wrong. I have a '57 Deluxe reissue, so would imagine they react reasonably similarly.
     
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    A Champ at halfway on the volume dial, at close quarters, is a loud, tuneful, toneful, responsive little spud. When I write loud, I mean loud. The sounds it should be making aren't burps, or gargles, but more a wall of awesome.

    If you have a spare set of valves, it wouldn't hurt to try. A duff 12AX7 can give some very odd effects. Ghost notes, internal microphony, low output, flatulence, some notes amplified more than others, uncanny-valley notes and a general audio malaise. A duff 6V6 may just be low output and odd. It can only amplify what it's been fed. A duff rectifier may be giving low voltages, or one half of the cycle is affected more than the other, which isn't nice. If you have a cab, try that in place of the internal speaker. Not likely to be the speaker, but it will eliminate one variable.

    It's under sale of goods, or whatever your equivalent is. If a revalve from your box of spares doesn't fix it, and the voltages are OK ( don't zap yourself! ), send it back. There aren't many ways a Champ can go wrong.
     
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    Change capacitors, put a tungsol 6v6 and Ready.
     
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    You might try pulling and reseating the tubes. Or, as others have suggested, try different tubes if you have some. If neither fixes problem, then absolutely get a replacement. That Champ should sound great!.
     
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