Fender 1968-1969 Vintage Tele with 1966 neck usual/common?

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  1. ozzeng

    ozzeng Tele-Meister

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    I am asking for a friend who recently bought this Fender tele. It has a serial number on the neck plate
    (serial number: 253542) which makes it a 1968 or 1969, but the stamp on the neck says "3 JUL 66 B".
    Is it usual for a vintage tele to have a neck date that is 2-3 years apart from the production date?
    He is wondering whether the neck or body might be changed somewhere along the guitar's history.
    Also, does anything on the guitar strike you as not genuine? He knows the tuners were changed to Gotoh vintage tuners and the decal on the headstock might have been modified or repaired at some point. I noticed the nut (which looks to be black in color) is not original, also the switch tip might not be original. I am attaching some photos and he can take more photos if needed but he does not want to take the neck off the body again if it can be avoided. Thanks in advance for any help that the experts here might kindly provide.
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  3. Dacious

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    It's possible it's original. Serial numbers weren't used sequentially and parts mismatch is possible. Transition logo used up until 67. Plates were just pulled out of a big box and stuck on Strats, Teles, P-Basses whatever was being made.

    If that guitar is a true Natural it will have a 'Natural' stamp in neck pocket or a pickup route. Otherwise it's refinished
     
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    The body looks to be refinished to me. Fender has been known to use parts in random order, but 2-3 years difference between neck and serial number seems kinda seems strange. Is the body date marked in any of the cavities or neck pocket?
     
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    Thank you, Dacious.
    You are saying that the logo on the headstock is a transition logo and that it was used up until 1967. Is that right?
    I also was wondering whether the natural finish is the original or if it was a refin. We'll see if there was a "Natural" stamp in the neck pocket or a pickup route. Thanks.
     
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    Thank you, Stratandtele. The markings in the neck pocket were unreadable according to my friend.
     
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    I believe it's a refin; natural was not used until the early 70s. The decal looks "funny", but not really sure.
     
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    It's a refin,saddles and tuners are pre 1967
     
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    Thank you. The owner told me the tuners were Gotoh branded but he might be wrong on that.
     
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    Actually, the '66-'67 "transition logo" (gold, black lining) mentioned by Dacious is as in the pic below:
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    The logo in your pic is known as the 'CBS logo' (black, gold lining), which was first featured in '67.
    Is it possible that this neck may have been made (and stamped) in '66 but, for some reason, remained for awhile in the stock at Fender plant (with other parts: tuners and saddles are also pre-67, as mentioned above), before the logo was finally applied on the headstock and the neck bolted on a 68 (or 69) body?
     
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    Thank you kinkstah. Very useful info!
     
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    Oh, and the body looks like a refin to me also (btw : is it nitrocellulose finish? which would definitely denotes a refin.)
     
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    I am not sure if the finish is nitro. I will ask the owner whether he knows the answer.
     
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    This post just to add that many pictures (e.g. below) suggest that the '66 logo was prone to show significant wear, which also could explain the post-67 logo (applied to replace the previous one?).

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    Looks like there might be traces of the original finish in between the ferrules on the back side. Can’t quite tell from photo.
    About that time, a lot people liked the ‘natural’ wood look.
    It may also be a partscaster - Fender neck, Fender body, can’t rule that out from the photos provided.
     
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    +1. this is very plausible
     
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    Agree
     
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    @ozzeng, I think you need to send that guitar to me for further “testing and inspection”:D:D:D:lol:
     
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    :lol::lol::lol::D
     
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    That most likely is a Factory refin from '69-ish. The bridge saddles are pre-67, but decal is incorrect for 1966. My hunch is it's actually a '66, not a '69. You'd have to disassemble it to see. Look for stamped or punched numbers under the pickguard and on the underside of the neck heel.

    In those days Fender had a refinishing service, but it wasn't a "restoration" service in any sense of the word. They simply disassembled the instruments, did a prep and then ran necks & bodies through their regular production process and used whatever the existing finish and decals were. They would randomly replace parts as they deemed necessary, and might swap out a body, neck or individual parts with whatever they had on hand.

    My '64 Strat was refinished at the Factory in '69. Has the finish and decals common to that year, not '64, and has the stampings on the body & neck.
     

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