Fake MIJ Tele?

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  1. chaosxem

    chaosxem TDPRI Member

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    Hello guys,

    I'm planning to buy a (supposedly) MIJ Telecaster. The price is good, so I'm tempted. But it happens that the Tele doesn't have a serial number (neither in the body or in the headstock), and the logo looks a little bit strange to me (not a "typical" Tele logo or even a MIJ logo). I've tried comparing it to similar models, but I didn't find something helpful or closer to this model. The seller said that it's an special edition Tele, shipped from Japan... nothing more. Maybe it's not Japanese? Can you give some advice on this?

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    (Apparently, the tuners aren't the original ones)
     

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  2. MatthewK

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    Headstock decal is false, so it's either a fake or a legit one with a switched neck. Pictures inside the neck pocket / neck heel would be helpful. Fender Japan have never used neckplates like that either.
     
  3. john_cribbin

    john_cribbin Tele-Afflicted

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    I would guess that closest it's been to Japan is on the container ship from Shanghai.
     
  4. Frontman

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    All MIJ Fenders have a serial number. The earliest models had the serial number on the neck plate (JV or A serial numbers), mid-80’s models had it on the headstock (E, F, and G serial numbers) the later models on the back of the neck near the body. E, F, and G serial strats have the number on the back of the necks instead of the headstock).

    The body looks like a Greco, which is not really inferior to what Fender Japan produced in their early years. The neck looks like one of the Chinese necks which have flooded the Asian market recently. They are using very good flamed maple, with the correct skunk stripe. The frets are not well finished, about the same as an MIM neck (but the Chinese seem to have access to much better wood). It’s a $400 guitar, at least that is about how much it probably cost to put together.
     
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    In the UK new Japanese teles are pretty rare and retail at around £1000. Used you'll be hard pressed to find one at less than £600 from a shop or dealer. The price they are asking may indicate it could be fake. Frontman has got it right with the serial number, they have all got them.
     
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    Thanks for the answers,

    In the end I declined the offer. The seller couldn't believe it, he claims that the Tele came with all the tags, certiificate and such. But all Frontman said it's true: this is not a Japanese. Didn't bother asking for the neck or body serial... that logo popped out alerts, but since there are various Tele editions, maybe it was valid.
     
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    yep

    no s/n
    no 'mij'
    no 'crafted in japan

    run, don't walk
     
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    Having owned a ' Breezy Sound ' Tokai Tele, my take is find one from Japan and have a better guitar than Fender.
     
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    Danjabellza Friend of Leo's

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    That flame though...
     
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  10. chaosxem

    chaosxem TDPRI Member

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    Ha! Yeah, it looks pretty. Very tempting...
     
  11. Ira7

    Ira7 Doctor of Teleocity

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    No string tree(s)?
     
  12. heltershelton

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    any time you see a guitar with a fender logo and no walnut of black plastic insert in the truss access, be skeptical. every one ive seen with a plain maple truss access has been a fake.
     
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    looks fake to me-even just the distance from the nut to where it curves into the headstock looks too big
     
  14. chaosxem

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    Ha! You won't believe it, I ended up buying it: the guy reofferred it to me for 60 dollars! Couldn't decline that offer! Neck feels good and the pickups sounds really good.
     
  15. MatthewK

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    Ha - there’s your answer then! Looks like a great buy for that price, I’d definitely hit it!
     
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    One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that some Tele MIJ models had the serial number stamped into the bridge plate in the mid-80's.
     
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    That's about 10% of the price of a used MIJ in the UK. If it works for you, absolute bargain. Enjoy!
     
  18. chaosxem

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    Definitely! It even came with Custom Shop Nocaster 51 pickups!!!
     
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  19. MatthewK

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    Right up into the 2000s actually - apart from the early JVs the bridge serials are all Axxxxxx which makes that particular series of numbers useless for dating. All of them have Made / Crafted in Japan on the neck heel or headstock though. This one doesn’t.
     
  20. Dacious

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    I agree it looks Ibanez or Greco. Sticker neck plate and tuners not original. Cheap enough - OK. The neck pickups aren't bad but factor in a new bridge pickup. Could be basis of a good guitar but it'd want to be cheap. It could be early MIJ.
     
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