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Discussion in 'Just Pickups' started by Platefire, May 16, 2020.

  1. Platefire

    Platefire Friend of Leo's

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    When I change guitars from a strat to a Les Paul I have to turn my dirt boxes and compressor volumes up because I have a volume drop. Why is that? The single coils have less output than the humbuckers. Seems like it should be the other way around. I've been noticing this for years and always thought it strange but now I putting it out as a question to maybe gain some understanding of it. Platefire
     
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    cyclopean Friend of Leo's

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    really hot single coils? really low output humbuckers?
     
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    Ronkirn Doctor of Teleocity Vendor Member

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    turn the Volume up... it's OK.. :p

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    RodeoTex Doctor of Teleocity

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    Humbuckers often have higher DCR and all that but they also have an opposite coil which cancels out a lot, so single coils are generally louder.
    ... generally speaking of course...
     
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    wabashslim Tele-Afflicted

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    Probably the humbuckers are saturating the OD pedals with their bassier frequency response and higher output so the pedals are distorting more, losing their bite, making the notes less distinct.. Try turning the drive down a bit & see if that helps.

    Something similar with the compressor - the detector is getting hit harder so it turns down the higher levels more than single coils.

    My theory anyway...
     
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    I'll side with Tex on this one. If the humbuckers actually had a higher output, they would be louder. The hum-cancelling also cancels other parts of the signal that (don't?) overlap. Single coils also tend to be brighter, because the hum-cancelling takes away some of the treble because of the overlap factor.

    Edit: I knew what I was trying to say, but was apparently too busy typing to think.

    A higher DCR with parts of the signal missing results in, often, a slightly lower output. A 10K Strat single coil is a HOT pickup! A 10K humbucker is closer to an average pickup. A humbucker uses an extra coil to cancel signals that appear, identically, in both coils. Thus, some other parts of the signal are cancelled too, resulting in a lower output signal.
     
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    RodeoTex Doctor of Teleocity

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    ^^^ he said it better than me.
     
  8. Platefire

    Platefire Friend of Leo's

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    Thanks! The Strat as I recall run from neck 6.1K to bridge 6.2K and the LP is about 8K neck and about 12K bridge.
     
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    I guess it’s a generalization but I have the exact opposite problem
    When ever I switch to my Les Paul it’s about twice as loud as my strat or teles and my dirt pedals won’t even reach unity volume with it
     
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    maybe the wiring ore pots, inputjack are old, dirty, corroded of the LP?
     
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    Because Gibson’s suck?:D Just kidding. I like to get my LP on now and again.
     
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    Pickup height?

    Let's see how quickly one of the youtube shows explains it for us.
     
  13. Platefire

    Platefire Friend of Leo's

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    I tend to think of the previous reply that said the humbuckers additional power saturate the input of the boxes to where the dist/drive level has to be turned down and vol turned up on the boxes. Because I have to turn the dist level down on the LP when coming off the strat and just the opposite visa versa.

    Regarding amp response, the amp vol has to always be turned down for the LP to get down to the vol the strat was set on. Big difference in amp vol. It just aways seemed strange that it worked backwards on the pedals. Platefire
     
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