Expensive guitar and cheap amp or vice-versa?

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  1. Warm Gums

    Warm Gums Friend of Leo's

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    Remember the audience hears with their ears; for the the most part, as long as you look basically professional, very few club goers are concerned with your gear. Your perception of your sound is different, both acoustically and psychologically and both can be improved upon. Record your gigs (nothing fancy is needed a small digital device will do) play it back thru some half decent speakers, what does it sound like? If you are too bright, dark what have you learn to dial that out (every one who is playing in an urban area where provided back line is the norm should understand how to get "their sound" out of the basic amps ..(Bandit, Hot rod, Marshall DSL) and a backup digital device. You don't need a "hi fi' device for guitar, you need a working sound that you can dial up thru anything at any time in any place. Every working pro can do this, it's a basic skill that is non negotiable. And it shouldn't be a chore, while it's nice to have your "baby" on a gig, for many people a PV (Redd V, the young Paisley) Yamaha (Mike Stern) or Pod (Pete Anderson) etc has been just that. If it worked for them I'm pretty sure it can work for you:cool:
     
  2. Shuggie

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    Amp, within reason I would say makes 90% of your tone. The only important part of the guitar is the pickups, and even those don't matter squat from my little experience. Get a cheap guitar and have attention paid to the neck/fretboard and setup.
     
  3. Diagoras

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    I play a few Roland Cube 60's that I got for less than $200 used.

    Side by side with our tube amps, no one has ever been able to tell which are the tubes and which are the Cubes.

    Laughing all the way to the bank.
     
  4. dwmagpie

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    I'm more of a cheap-cheap guy, I find it hard to justify spending alot of money on one thing.

    Although if I had to go Cheap - Expensive, i'd pick some form of Squier Tele, and a Twin Reverb.
     
  5. cobrat

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    Cheap and expensive are relative terms. For instance, I got two guitars free:

    1. A Kay Vanguard from the mid '60s which a friend found abandoned in his apartment lobby in its original cardboard guitar case. Came with a note for the new owner.

    2. An Epiphone Les Paul Special II along with a Squier Champ 15 amp free from someone who was moving out and wanted to pass them on. Ended up passing on the Epiphone to a friend who wanted to get back into guitar.

    Another time, I picked up a 22-fret SSS 1998 MIC White Squier Affinity Stratocaster with schallar straplocks and strap, leather gigbag, spare strings, tremolo bar, and a Crate GX-15 practice amp for a grand total of $10.

    Find the amp a bit dark, but passable for clean practice.

    Despite issues with a weird tuning key and the electronics sometimes cutting out, a couple of professional musicians who played that Affinity said it had great tone. They were playing through a 25 watt SS crate amp at a friend's apartment.
     
  6. Lobomov

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    A cheap guitar and expensive amp will sound better, but an expensive guitar and cheap amp might make you happier :)


    You never know.
     
  7. toddfan

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    Years and YEARS ago....I was told by someone to get a good AMP...(I'm talking in the '60's)

    ...I didn't listen.

    Now, a couple years ago...I finally got a GOOD AMP.

    NOW...I understand what that guy was talking about and why he was so much smarter than me....
     
  8. Ronkirn

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    consider this... while this video has been both praised and dissed... it is an excellent comparison.... same amp, same settings, 18 different guitars. And while there have been subtle differences noted... they are so very subtle as to be inconsequential.. but had this been same guitar, same settings, 18 different amps... it would have been considerably different..



    Ron Kirn
     
  9. Mr Perch

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    I would think so. If the guitar is basically playable, it's cheaper to upgrade that than the amp. BTW, I play a Classic Vibe. Once I got the Bill Lawrence pups installed, I couldn't think of any way to improve upon it. Total investment: $300.
     
  10. oldtelefart

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    If the guitar sounds dull and is hard to play, a great amp won't make you sound good.

    Nowadays you can get a really good guitar for very reasonable bucks.

    $400 guitar + used Cube + lots of practice = good sound.
     
  11. TeleToTheRain

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    I'm by no means an expert or even that great of a player but one thing I do know is that I'm much more drawn to my rig when it inspires me... be that looks, tone, feel, etc. so the main thing is find something that draws you in and make YOU want to PLAY!!! don't let other people live vicariously through your gear or you'll never be happy. You can find more bad than good about almost anything online if you look hard enough. The guys I know that are really good don't seem to know half the stuff we agonize about on here cause they're busy being true to their ear and their gut.
     
  12. soulman969

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    Yeah but whatta most girls know about amps? Now a guitarist, that a different story but I do admit that girls seem to be experts on cools cars and a great haircut. ;)


    Oh, and maybe shiny guitars too. :p
     
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    If you scrounge a suitable power transformer and use board mount lytics and bend up your own chassis you ought to be able to build a 5E3 in that ball park range. Or gut an existing junked solid state amp for cab and chassis.
     
  14. micaiah

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    my first real amp is a late 70's carvin SS pre and Quad EL34 power section 100w switchable to 50w i got it for $200 at a pawn shop my guitars where and are varieties of squier, (tele deluxe) fender strat but my newest is a EVH 2002 wolfgang ( that i just bought off ebay for $470) so i'll part with my squier most likely

    this amp is amazing lol i love it with my V30 2x12 cab so amp amp amp amp amp amp and i'm 24
     
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    Playin a Squier Tele thru a Fender Mustang and it sounds sweet. Would I prefer a Ron Kirn barncaster? Gimme!
     
  16. DaveKS

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    No right or wrong here, use what works for you. I'm 54, been thru a Gk ml250, Marshall half stack, Mesa DC-5, Fender concert II in my years. What do I use now? 2 Fender Champ 12 with TT 40/40 speakers and nos glass and a Ric M-8 amp for tight squanky vibe when needed. Many preamps and pedals in fold, a few carefully chosen guitar.

    But these days I spend more time on this for its uncomplicated nature.... Just me and the strings. Open the case and just play.
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    Really cool video Ron. The guy's kinda goofy but point made nonetheless. I really liked #7. I'm a tele guy so I was sure it would be a tele, nope. It was a freakin Gibson Explorer! Lol. Maybe I should get one, see how many gigs I'll book on Broadway playing that thing, lol. I'm nowhere near good enough to pull it off. I think D.A.C. gets a pass ;)
     
  18. GaryOsborne

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    I gigged a cube 60 with a tele and no pedals for like a year straight. Never had any complaints. I love those things.
     
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    There was a time when I would have said that spending the most bucks on the amp is the way to go and I suppose that's still true but lately I've been noticing that the so called cheap amps and guitars are worlds better than they used to be and that the lines are starting to blur. I'm finding that I can get some pretty outstanding sounds either way.

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